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Post by hollandr on Aug 25, 2008 22:08:29 GMT
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Post by maximus on Aug 25, 2008 23:55:31 GMT
Interesting and imaginative, but Atlantian? What is the proof? Atlantis was legend by the time Homer mentions it, and there are no artifacts left from antideluvian times.
I believe that there likely was an antideluvian civilization, which was wiped out thruogh natural disaster - mankind having to start over from scratch. That being said, it does not nesessarily follow that this previous civilization was any more technologically or spiritually advanced than are we.
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Post by maat on Aug 26, 2008 0:07:13 GMT
I don't know about those temples ... I found them threatening in an odd sort of way. Despite the amazing artistic talents displayed, I couldn't wait to get out of them.
I was a bit suspicious of the scantily clad voluptous females abounding in the artwork, or the need for them....
Give me a field, a hill, a seascape, the sky..
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Aug 26, 2008 0:38:45 GMT
>I found them threatening in an odd sort of way. Despite the amazing artistic talents displayed, I couldn't wait to get out of them.
Good observation.
A friend has visited and she had a similar feeling
My suspicion is that the energies there take humans back rather than forward.
Of course those who have yet to complete their Atlantean experiences may find the place and community most useful
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maximus on Aug 26, 2008 1:01:29 GMT
Give me a field, a hill, a seascape, the sky.. You'd make a good Wiccan, my dear Maat.
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Post by hollandr on Aug 26, 2008 1:12:13 GMT
>there are no artifacts left from antideluvian times. That is an interesting proposition - but of course hard to prove It may be that Atlantean colonies and artifacts have been mis-identified or not identified at all The Etruscans come to mind as an example www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/etruscans.htmNote the peculiar slant to the eyes
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Post by maximus on Aug 26, 2008 1:58:30 GMT
>there are no artifacts left from antideluvian times. That is an interesting proposition - but of course hard to prove As is the existance of Atlantis. Possibly, or it may be that there are no artifacts to identify. Could be artistic license. Look at the artwork of the Egyptians. What do slanted eyes signify to you? Aliens?
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Post by hollandr on Aug 26, 2008 3:30:20 GMT
>it may be that there are no artifacts to identify.
I have read that there is a long tradition of classifying strange archeological artifacts as religious and storing them in the basement.
This avoids potentially embarrassing discoveries
>Could be artistic license.
That might also explain the isolation of their language
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 26, 2008 9:04:50 GMT
I have read that there is a long tradition of classifying strange archeological artifacts as religious and storing them in the basement. Source? And, in case you missed it: I think of that as Sirius Blue and traditionally the Sirian Lodge is supposed to supervise education for the human species in this solar system. Source?
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Post by maat on Aug 26, 2008 23:32:14 GMT
Russell is a great traveller, Tamrin. Probably Marco Polo in a previous life. Sirius. ;D Maat
PS What did you think of the temple?
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Post by maat on Aug 27, 2008 5:45:43 GMT
Atlantis?
The stories have been around too long for there not to be something in them. Then we have the circumstantial evidence:
Native people in countries surrounding the ocean where Atlantis was situated share many common words... ie Egypt, the Basques in Spain and some South American natives this seems to indicate a common language source.
The Egyptian civilization seems to scientists to have 'just happened' - no evidence of the normal gradual process.
There is a curious 'wall/road' off Bimini There are underwater as well as above water pyramids There are a host of other unexplained landmarks all over the place
Why not Atlantis?
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Aug 27, 2008 6:05:21 GMT
"On this island of Atlantis had arisen a powerful and remarkable dynasty of kings, who ruled the whole island, and many other islands as well and parts of the continent; in addition it controlled, within the strait, Libya up to the borders of Egypt and Europe as far as Tyrrhenia [Tuscany and Corsica]. "
Here Plato seems to claim the Etruscans as an Atlantean colony. That might explain their sea-going warlike characteristics and the separateness of their language.
And I had an email exchange with a Canary Islander who maintained that the Guanches who inhabited the islands before Europeans, believed that their ancestors had escaped the destruction of Atlantis.
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 27, 2008 8:11:32 GMT
The stories have been around too long for there not to be something in them. Does this mean that in another thousand years the stories will be even more credible?
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 27, 2008 14:45:23 GMT
"Does this mean that in another thousand years the stories will be even more credible?"
Possibly. Think of matters which we take as commonplace these days which in 1008 would have been considered Supernatural, the Hand of God, or Evil Spirits and Sorcery etc.
I would hope that in 1000 years from now, if we have not been destroyed by our own hand, e.g. a Nuclear or Biological war, or by some adverse change in the Earth's ecology which makes it uninhabitable to humans, we would have solved some of these puzzles and have made First Contact with ETs, hopefully in the manner of Star Trek or Close Encounters rather than War of the Worlds or Independence Day. I won't be there to see it alas, at least not in my present incarnation.
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 27, 2008 15:09:37 GMT
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Post by maat on Aug 28, 2008 0:38:49 GMT
Atlantis sank beneath the waves after a catastrophe! The dinosaurs disappeared because of a catastrophe The sun once rose in the West (catastrophic change to the East?) Noah took to the ark because of a catastrophe and the Ark came to rest on the mounts of Ararat... (there have been several kings named Araaraat, or variations thereof, in Egypt.. ) The asteroid belt would kind of indicated a bit of a catastrophe The earth changes polarity from time to time - and verified by scientists who see these happenings in rock. What is so hard to believe about sunken cities? One can well imagine what water might do in any of the scenarios above. www.varchive.org/itb/rabdel.htmMaat
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 28, 2008 8:32:23 GMT
What is so hard to believe about sunken cities? Lack of evidence for an entire sunken continent.
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 28, 2008 8:52:06 GMT
There was plenty of room for errors typical of 'Chinese Whispers.' Plato writes of a conversation with Socrates, about a conversation with Solon, about a legend he heard about a lost continent beyond the Pillars of Hercules!? We only surmise the pillars marked the Straights of Gibraltar. Another theory is they they were the "clashing rocks," said to have been negotiated by Jason and later by Odysseus, at the Bosporus Straits, marking the mouth of the Black Sea (this would accord with the Egyptian notion of the Phyrigians having been the oldest civilization). The Black Sea was a site where a catastrophe does appear to have taken place, when the sea wall collapsed inundating the area. Alternatively (depending on which direction one supposes to be "beyond"), we have the highly evolved Minoan civilization devastated by a number of seismic events, enabling the Mycenians to establish themselves, before they too succumbed.
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Post by maat on Aug 28, 2008 23:39:28 GMT
" It should perhaps be emphasized that it is the name of the Atlantic Ocean (or "Ocean of the Atlanteans") that derives from that of Atlantis, and not vice-versa. And that name far predates Plato, being mentioned, f. i., by Herodotus, who wrote his History fully a century before Plato wrote the Critias. Moreover, as Herodotus explains, the name of "Atlantic Ocean" originally applied to the Indian Ocean, rather than the body of water now so named. So, it is on that side of the world, and not on ours that we should expect to find Atlantis. Did you know that Indonesia could be what is left of Atlantis... check out the maps, and the story in this link. Written by Prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos www.atlan.org/articles/true_history/"..the best ancient sources — say, for instance that magnificent Hindu saga, the Mahabharata — speak of sea level rising rather than of continents sinking. Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 29, 2008 8:23:05 GMT
" It should perhaps be emphasized that it is the name of the Atlantic Ocean (or "Ocean of the Atlanteans") that derives from that of Atlantis, and not vice-versa. And that name far predates Plato, being mentioned, f. i., by Herodotus, who wrote his History fully a century before Plato wrote the Critias. Moreover, as Herodotus explains, the name of "Atlantic Ocean" originally applied to the Indian Ocean, rather than the body of water now so named. So, it is on that side of the world, and not on ours that we should expect to find Atlantis. Did you know that Indonesia could be what is left of Atlantis... check out the maps, and the story in this link. Written by Prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos www.atlan.org/articles/true_history/"..the best ancient sources — say, for instance that magnificent Hindu saga, the Mahabharata — speak of sea level rising rather than of continents sinking. Maat So what are you saying? Not necessarily in the Atlantic, maybe on the other-side of the world!? Anything goes!? Given that you allow for the body of water being rightly or wrongly named (by some) after Atlantis, rather than visa versa, I am inclined to the more parsimonious idea that the Mediterranean was that body of water and the destruction of the Minoan Civilization was preserved in legend as that of Atlantis.
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