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Post by maat on Sept 19, 2008 5:58:04 GMT
;D ;D ;D
Only a man would think it is easy to be abundant!
Just think of it as you men being the bow of the ship that slices through the ocean. We women are everything behind the bow, right back to the rudder.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 8:08:35 GMT
>Only a man would think it is easy to be abundant!
Actually my lady friend tells people that I am an honorary woman.
So how does a woman go about being abundant?
What is the means of connecting to the source of abundance?
Once the abundance is accessed, how is it focussed?
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 12:05:03 GMT
> Are the differences you perceive and justify so vast that they warrent conclusions that create whole different illusions?
Surely there are many similarities but are there significant spiritual differences?
Some cultures think so and separate males and females for some spiritual practices
What might the spiritual differences be?
Maat has suggested "abundance" compared with "direction" and that is a good start but needs some elaboration to be easier to apply both in the short and long term
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 12:22:23 GMT
In ancient times there were Mysteries restricted to women and even today in Australia the indigenous population have "secret women's business" Please elaborate.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 12:24:36 GMT
Surely there are many similarities but are there significant spiritual differences? No
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Post by synchronicity on Sept 19, 2008 17:13:31 GMT
I think this might be the right place to mention a very interesting couple: Richard and Isabella Ingalese. They were both into New Thought and Alchemy. Over several years they carried out laboratory experiments based on Paracelsus's writings to make the Philosopher's Stone, and even claimed to have succeeded! As this thing was supposed to grant immortality, and records are a bit murky, there are rumours that Richard and Isabella may have feigned their own deaths in order to disappear quietly (make of that what you will!). In any event, what is well documented is that Isabella was able to devote more time to the experiments because her husband had to spend time outside the house working as a lawyer (apparently the stuff they needed for their experiments was quite expensive, hence his need to wrok) but other than that, they were pretty much on the same wavelength. I have posted two books and an article by them in the "Articles, papers and lectures" part of the forum, so if you are curious all you have to do is run a search. More info on them can be found here: www.levity.com/alchemy/ingalese.html
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Post by maximus on Sept 19, 2008 19:25:55 GMT
Actually my lady friend tells people that I am an honorary woman. Well, your thought process is certainly as impeneratrable! ;D
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 19:49:14 GMT
...Surely there are many similarities but are there significant spiritual differences?... You have to first define "spiritual" in a non circular manner for this to have any traction whatsoever. IMO [/size][/quote] Good point. I answered "No," because, from my perceptions, an essential aspect of the ultimate reality is Onesness and, as we approaches the essence of spirituality, we approach unity. From Russell's past descriptions, his understanding of matters "spiritual," involves ever greater alienation, plurality and division.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 21:08:22 GMT
>your thought process is certainly as impeneratrable!
Prima facie evidence for significant differences at mental levels at least
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 21:15:59 GMT
>You have to first define "spiritual" in a non circular manner
That's easy enough
Spiritual in this context refers to transpersonal energies attracted to and passing through or directed by the human persona (mask)
Transpersonal means subplanes 5.3 to 5.1, 4.3 to 4.1 and 3.7 and above
Different refers to the qualities and intents carried upon the energies
So, do female persona:
- attract a different but overlapping set of transpersonal energies? - thereby have access to a different but overlapping set of qualities and agendas? - thereby produce different but overlapping transpersonal effects on their surroundings?
And I might suggest that the answer "No" may constitute evidence of belief or preference but does not constitute a test of the propositions
And at the risk of stating the obvious, it is the spiritual differences (polarities) that empower male-female spiritual partnerships.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 22:57:52 GMT
Spiritual in this context refers to transpersonal energies attracted to and passing through or directed by the human persona (mask) I suggest the essence of "spiritual" has aught to do with one's persona (mask).
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 23:04:29 GMT
> the essence of "spiritual" has aught to do with one's persona (mask).
Fortunately I was defining it in a context not in its essence
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 23:12:17 GMT
And I might suggest that the answer "No" may constitute evidence of belief or preference but does not constitute a test of the propositions In the meantime, an explanatory note had been posted.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 23:17:29 GMT
And at the risk of stating the obvious, it is the spiritual differences (polarities) that empower male-female spiritual partnerships. Taking your understanding of "spiritual" as it pertains to the persona (mask), I agreed that gender differences are empowered by superficial conventions. However, I do not agree with your definition of "spiritual."
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 23:22:46 GMT
>You have to first define "spiritual" in a non circular manner
This is another data point.
Other than in academic contexts it is very rare for a woman to ask for a definition. This may indicate the female mental processes are distinct from male.
So how can we recognise femaleness in thinking?
In which situations might it be advantageous?
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 23:25:44 GMT
>So, are you saying that spirit IS energy?
I was saying that "spiritual" (a quality associated with the proximity of spirit ) is measurable by the flow of particular energies - categorised by subplane, quality and agenda (intent)
And of course on the simplest level - energy is the body of manifestation of spirit
Hence one can diagnose the pressure (agenda) from spirit by examining the energy flows (or non-flows) around the target persona (and higher bodies)
The simplest observation is looking for a bubble of light above the head. Where present it indicates that higher energies are queuing up awaiting a suitable entry time. This normally means that the persona is not meditating enough (or at all)
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 23:28:32 GMT
Transpersonal means subplanes 5.3 to 5.1, 4.3 to 4.1 and 3.7 and above
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 23:30:59 GMT
>You have to first define "spiritual" in a non circular manner
This is another data point.
Other than in academic contexts it is very rare for a woman to ask for a definition. This may indicate the female mental processes are distinct from male.
So how can we recognise femaleness in thinking?
In which situations might it be advantageous? You are begging the question (in a circular manner).
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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 23:37:21 GMT
Philip
My experience is that spiritual science does exist. I have practiced it and taught it, both with modest success for 30 years
It's existence is a matter of faith for some, disbelief by others and daily practice by a few
Max Freedom Long wrote quite a useful book on the subject
No doubt you have chosen your own path with care. I trust that it will bring you happiness
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 23:39:32 GMT
The simplest observation is looking for a bubble of light above the head.
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