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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 2:29:23 GMT
...and am reminded of Cornelia Otis Skinner having said, Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.I have known a couple of women with absolutely dispicable, manipulative character (or rather, lack of). Gender is, indeed, no guarantee of virtue.
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 2:49:16 GMT
>What is the ultimate purpose of The Great Work? I have limited experience there but on occasions other beings approach and depending upon the circumstances and their intent: - provide substance to build light bodies (human and planetary) - provide patterning that provides pathways for energy transfer from cosmic levels - provide patterning that contains skills and knowledge for the recipient (or sometimes for transfer) - anchor permanent flows in the planet - enable cosmic entities to enter into more intimate relationship with the planet and/or the solar system. I dare say there is much I have yet to see including the higher analogue to the human process And I would not claim my experience is at all typical of humans I might also note that there is a close relationship to the FPOF Would the purpose perhaps be inner transformation? In the process of inner transformation, we integrate the anima and animus, uniting the disparite halves of our personality to create, on a microcosmic level, the Divine Androgyne, mirroring that which is above.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 2:55:43 GMT
...and am reminded of Cornelia Otis Skinner having said, Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.I have known a couple of women with absolutely dispicable, manipulative character (or rather, lack of). Gender is, indeed, no guarantee of virtue. Similarly, Jung wrote ( The Spirit in Man, Art, and Literature, p.36): The fact that mothers bear children is not holy but mererly natural. If people say it is holy, then one strongly suspects something very unholy has to be covered up by it.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 3:20:26 GMT
>Would the purpose perhaps be inner transformation?
that is a reasonable interim goal.
And the transformed being (human, planetary or solar) might then be able to take a greater role in the divine plan
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 3:24:11 GMT
>The fact that mothers bear children is not holy but mearly natural
I do not understand the separation of holy from natural
Surely as the Earth becomes a sacred planet then all natural processes are holy?
And I do not know how those present at human birth can consider the process anything but holy. For myself I burst into tears as my first-born emerged.
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 3:33:46 GMT
>Would the purpose perhaps be inner transformation? that is a reasonable interim goal. And the transformed being (human, planetary or solar) might then be able to take a greater role in the divine plan And what would be that role, in your estimation?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 3:34:55 GMT
And the transformed being (human, planetary or solar) might then be able to take a greater role in the divine plan
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 3:39:58 GMT
I do not understand the separation of holy from natural Hang about!? At other times you do (holy means "set apart"). I guess it suits you at present to pretend otherwise
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 3:54:43 GMT
>And what would be that role, in your estimation?
Since our god is a god of love the role must be to facilitate the Great Work for beings greater than ourselves
And this is represented in my mythology by the swan knight and the handmaiden of the Great Mother to which each of us may aspire if we wish
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 4:01:04 GMT
>holy means "set apart"
Perhaps setting apart is how humans demonstrate their own holiness
The etymology seems to support connections to health and wholeness
For example
O.E. halig "holy," from P.Gmc. *khailagas (cf. O.N. heilagr, Ger. heilig, Goth. hailags "holy"), adopted at conversion for L. sanctus. Primary (pre-Christian) meaning is not impossible to determine, but it was probably "that must be preserved whole or intact, that cannot be transgressed or violated," and connected with O.E. hal (see health) and O.H.G. heil "health, happiness, good luck" (source of the Ger. salutation heil).
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 4:03:30 GMT
Since our god is a god of love the role must be to facilitate the Great Work for beings greater than ourselves While the above is a curious non sequitur, I suggest the great work at present involves reintegration, after a period of differentiation. Adam Kadomon
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 4:04:19 GMT
>Would your transformed being be either masculine or feminine or would gender be an irrelevance?
A being may be as male or female in its modes of action as it wishes and is capable of - on each of the levels of existence.
And of course the being's tasks and situations will influence its choices
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 4:11:22 GMT
>holy means "set apart"
Perhaps setting apart is how humans demonstrate their own holiness In the context of childbirth, this means setting it apart from... nature... the human condition... what?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 4:19:34 GMT
>Would your transformed being be either masculine or feminine or would gender be an irrelevance?
A being may be as male or female in its modes of action as it wishes and is capable of - on each of the levels of existence.
And of course the being's tasks and situations will influence its choices Would the dangly bits be manifest (& why) and which cultural expression of gender would be adopted?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 6:20:03 GMT
The simplest observation is looking for a bubble of light above the head. Where present it indicates that higher energies are queuing up awaiting a suitable entry time. This normally means that the persona is not meditating enough (or at all) A word of caution is warranted here. The first step on the path of wisdom is discrimination ( Viveka). To use an analogy from our virtual reality on the net, we would not indiscriminately open attachments from unfamiliar sources. Even more so should we avoid uncritically opening our subconscious minds to unfamiliar influences (however defined) seeking entry. It is a form of spiritual abnegation bordering on suicide. Nor should we consider influences seeking entry to necessarily be "higher beings." We are already One with the absolute—How much higher is there? Do not give such influences unnecessary cache, it can only be achieved by lessening one's self to the state of slack-jawed subordination, fit only as a vehicle for others. We are taught to be cautious and I suggest we consider perceptions of other influences as we would emails said to be from the CEO of Nigeria's Central Bank! That said, there is at least one method of consciously opening one's self to other influences while retaining, in effect, a spiritual firewall. However, this requires a great deal of careful, first-hand instruction and guidance.
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 20, 2008 8:59:14 GMT
Remember what they did to Hypatia... An example always before me, yup. I'll bet she demanded definitions ;D Ah, in threads like this, I sure do miss Edward
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Post by lauderdale on Sept 20, 2008 9:28:14 GMT
Indeed Bro Karen! As a Christian I hang my head in shame at some of the ignorant excesses of the early Church and its adherents and claim no mitigation for their actions. Not only was the murder of Hypatia and destruction of her works an outrage but there was the vandalism of the Copts to some of the great works of Ancient Egypt not to mention that bloody idiot Origen who cut off his own genitals to avoid the "Sins of the Flesh" I am told that this was the reason that he was never Canonised.
Who is Edward?
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Post by billmcelligott on Sept 20, 2008 9:30:20 GMT
I have to object at your use of my Wifes Holiday snaps.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 12:36:53 GMT
So are you suggesting I'm fighting my own gender instincts to be a scholar? Remember what they did to Hypatia...
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 18:24:24 GMT
I have to object at your use of my Wifes Holiday snaps. Sorry Bill, don't know how that got in there.
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