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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 20:30:18 GMT
In the Old Testament there is something called "the spirit of god" that (for example) moves over the face of the waters. It seems unclear whether the spirit of god is subservient to god
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 22:32:17 GMT
In the Old Testament there is something called "the spirit of god" that (for example) moves over the face of the waters. It seems unclear whether the spirit of god is subservient to god
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Post by maat on Sept 22, 2008 1:42:00 GMT
What causes the wind to blow... the differentiation between heat and non heat. So Spirit is not wind. Wind needs other things to come into force. Radiation from a heat source on the other hand, needs only fire to move.
I can see Spirit being equated with Fire. Spirit as the Wisdom of God. What is behind emotion? Fire. When the spirit leaves the body what does the body become? Cold.
Emanation and radiation the same thing? I see the soul as the encapsulation of a certain amount of this radiation/emanation. Depending of how strong and bright our souls are, is the beauty we radiate out into the world.
The three principal officers?
Maat
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Post by maat on Sept 25, 2008 23:14:44 GMT
What I was trying to say was that that Spirit IS, and IMO has a fiery quality to it.
Re emanation, movement, etc - the picture that sprang to mind as I was pondering the question, was of heat waves rising off the earth on super hot days. The same heat waves that cause mirages and is usually associated with deserts.
In like manner I sometimes think that when we have altered experiences it is because the Spirit moves us, we get caught up in this 'emanation/radiance'. We are lifted up like autumn leaves by its power/strength.
Maat
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Post by shiloh on Dec 14, 2008 12:24:19 GMT
Firstly, I am not [yet] a mason, and secondly I am new here, but I do know what Spirit is so I am going to respond to the question and hope nobody takes offence. In a nutshell, Spirit is energy that resides in blood. We are alive because this energy is present in our blood and when we die it leaves our bodies. Spirit is not different from electricity [electromagnetism]. Spirit is generated by the clockwise rotation of the earth's core which consists, for the most part, of iron. That the core rotates to the clockwise direction, [the exterior of the earth rotates to the counter-clockwise direction] is a little-known fact, but it is a FACT. Heat is generated by the friction that is caused at the interface of the clockwise rotating core and the counter-clockwise rotating planet. This friction generated heat causes molecular activity which results in the energy we call Spirit. The heat causes the energy to ascend through the planet to the surface as a clockwise rotating force. It is this energy which causes seeds to push upwards through the earth, and not, as is commonly thought to be the case, the heat of the sun... The sun does not pull seeds upwards, rather, they are pushed upwards. What else is there to say about Spirit... thinking... it is the force responsible for the clockwise direction of DNA. It has weight, approximately two ounces in the human body, when a human sleeps the energy is withdrawn from the body, a fact that was first discovered by a professor in the Sleep Laboratory of Ipswich College, Suffolk, England. When we regain consciousness/Spirit our weight increases by about two ounces. When the Spirit/energy departs from the human body, during sleep, it returns to the core. While I am on the subject, the heat generated by the friction of the opposite rotating bodies of the core and the earth causes giant waves of magma [molten rock] at the interface, the height of the waves of magma have been measured and are said to be greater than the height of the Everest. You can research the method used for measuring the magma online. It all sounds very mundane when stated matter of factly, but it is far from mundane, it is one of the many miracles of nature, the one which breathes life into biological organisms. I could talk endlessly about the earth, the core and the miracle of life, but I won't. It would be nice if my post was accepted as the correct explanation of Spirit, but the cover-up to conceal the truth has been so thorough that it is almost impossible to impart the truth and be believed. Shiloh PS I can't say for sure but I doubt I shall ever be a mason, nevertheless I hope the moderators don't object if I post here from 'time to time'... If my presence does raise an objection I shall leave as quietly as I came. Though I am not, nor have I ever been, a mason, I do know about living history but your secrets are safe with me. I know many other 'secrets' which I may or may not be called upon to reveal, 'time' will tell. Meanwhile, I serve one LORD and, for now, my lips are sealed. I am not a 'traveller' but I am your friend in real-time. Shiloh
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Post by leonardo on Dec 14, 2008 13:21:28 GMT
.. I can't say for sure but I doubt I shall ever be a mason, nevertheless I hope the moderators don't object if I post here from 'time to time'... If my presence does raise an objection I shall leave as quietly as I came. Hi Shilo and welcome to the forum. As long as you post according to our guidelines we will be delighted to see you here. I hope you find your visits useful and that they eventually lead you to making the right decision on whether the Masonic path is for you or not. Time alone will tell. Good luck to you.
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Post by maat on Dec 14, 2008 22:11:47 GMT
Dear Bro Shiloh Post of the Year!!! VITRIOL Maat (I think I know you )
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Post by maat on Dec 14, 2008 22:20:22 GMT
Christians know that Jesus first descended before He ascended. Masonry has some ascending and descending too. Why clockwise around the lodge? Why do more people die between 3 am - 5 am than any other time? Why do we need sleep? The sensed sacredness of blood and heart? The future source of renewable energy?
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Post by hollandr on Dec 14, 2008 22:37:37 GMT
Hello Shiloh You certainly have thought about spirit >Spirit is energy that resides in blood. We are alive because this energy is present in our blood and when we die it leaves our bodies. I agree >Spirit is not different from electricity [electromagnetism]. It may be useful to distinguish human conceptualisations of electricity from its higher counterparts. >Spirit is generated by the clockwise rotation of the earth's core Perhaps it is more accurate to say that some dense manifestations of spirit can be seen in the effects of rotation >which consists, for the most part, of iron. This is a popular statement >That the core rotates to the clockwise direction, [the exterior of the earth rotates to the counter-clockwise direction] is a little-known fact, I suggest that the popular conception of a liquid core does not address some of the more important observations, for example that the Earth's magnetic field does not line up with the axis of rotation. Also theoretically Earth gravity is zero at the centre which might raise questions about the practicality of a hot liquid >Heat is generated by the friction that is caused at the interface of the clockwise rotating core and the counter-clockwise rotating planet. This friction generated heat causes molecular activity which results in the energy we call Spirit. Fire by friction is indeed a dense manifestation of spirit. Higher manifestations may include solar fire and electric fire You may be interested int he book: The Electric Sky members.cox.net/dascott3/index.htm>The heat causes the energy to ascend through the planet to the surface as a clockwise rotating force. It is this energy which causes seeds to push upwards through the earth, and not, as is commonly thought to be the case, the heat of the sun... The sun does not pull seeds upwards, rather, they are pushed upwards. Is this Steiner or perhaps Wachsmuth? > it is the force responsible for the clockwise direction of DNA. The DNA seems to operate as a wave guide for anchoring higher frequencies >It has weight, approximately two ounces in the human body, I am not sure that is actually spirit. It may be the etheric structure through which consciousness attaches to the nervous system >While I am on the subject, the heat generated by the friction of the opposite rotating bodies of the core and the earth causes giant waves of magma [molten rock] at the interface There must be a huge energy source to drive this. Any ideas where the energy comes from? > the one which breathes life into biological organisms. I wonder if the life must be breathed in from a greater living entity rather than induced by physical friction > it is almost impossible to impart the truth and be believed. Can you suggest some subtle energy experiments so that humans may observe directly rather than being dependent upon faith Cheers Russell
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Post by hollandr on Dec 14, 2008 22:42:21 GMT
>Why do we need sleep?
It has always seemed to me a most peculiar weakness of the human species that it should be dependent upon food and at such short intervals
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Post by maximus on Dec 14, 2008 23:13:31 GMT
Russell's back! "The Sleeper has Awakened!" ;D
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Post by maat on Dec 15, 2008 2:40:00 GMT
Maybe the body needs the personality to get out of its way for a while... so it can do what it needs to do.
(Which brings us to the voluntary and sympathetic nervous systems... the 'masculine', cerebro-spinal system sometimes depicted as a golden urn, and the 'feminine' or sympathetic system, the silver urn.)
Did you know that in some circles the sympathetic nervous system is called feminine, is hidden, secret and mysterious?
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Dec 15, 2008 3:20:06 GMT
Discussing spirit is always a complex matter which is why I suggested this thread.
And of course with such subjects much of the discussion is necessarily by allegory and symbol.
The challenge therefore is to penetrate the allegory of others' statements and perhaps rearrange the symbolism so that it separates more clearly the higher from the lower
This is quite a challenge but brethren determined to penetrate the veiling of Masonry may appreciate the practice
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Post by whistler on Dec 15, 2008 7:17:22 GMT
"SPIRIT" is just a convenient word to use when you want to generically refer to a consciousness that is not physically on the earth plain. The need for sleep - well the human body is not the most brilliant construction - take the knee for example - I am sure a design engineer student could create a better more reliable joint. Sleep gives the body a chance to do repairs and housekeeping - without interference
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Post by paulh on Dec 15, 2008 22:04:19 GMT
I have read that cats and dogs need to sleep a lot so that they can be more free to operate on the astral.
Perhaps humans have a similar need
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Post by maat on Dec 15, 2008 22:56:48 GMT
Can you explain this please? Can you give us a definition of Spirit and several examples of how it is different from electricity and electromagnetism? Have to agree with you there. Damn ;D I definitely believe Spirit exists before and outside of any created thing, hence the created cannot create Spirit. My intuition tells me that you both have some useful clues and that you might find the answer by laying your observations over Jacobs Ladder on the Tracing Board. The Angels ascending and descending between 'Heaven' and 'Earth'. How do you explain how a mushroom can push up an asphalt driveway?Seen it with my own eyes. Have also seen plants change their facing direction over a day - TOTALLY independent of the suns position. Love DNA stuff. As we have discussed on the forum previously... a possible candidate for Jacobs Ladder. And why do the Brn walk clockwise, not matter which hemisphere? Did you know that you can get water from rock? Gypsum's formula is CaSO4. 2H2OAnd in severe earthquakes there are spouts of sand and water, the water being shaken out of the rock... earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Earthquake/Maat
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Post by maat on Dec 15, 2008 22:58:27 GMT
See I told you this was the Post of the Year.... sooooooooo many extremely interesting subjects and mysteries and headache material... Love it.
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Post by maximus on Dec 16, 2008 0:21:26 GMT
I have read that cats and dogs need to sleep a lot so that they can be more free to operate on the astral. They sleep more because thier metabolism is faster. Faster metabolism=more energy expended=more need for rest. Occam's Razor people.
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Post by paulh on Dec 16, 2008 0:36:27 GMT
They sleep more because thier metabolism is faster. Faster metabolism=more energy expended=more need for rest. Occam's Razor people. Is this the basis of modern science - simplicity without experiment?
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 0:42:35 GMT
I have read that cats and dogs need to sleep a lot so that they can be more free to operate on the astral. They sleep more because thier metabolism is faster. Faster metabolism=more energy expended=more need for rest. Occam's Razor people. Sheep in pens, horses in stables and cows in barns sleep much more than when in open fields, and pet cats sleep extensively compared with feral cats.www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026781.600-time-to-wake-up-to-the-facts-about-sleep.html
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