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Post by willied77 on Nov 1, 2008 23:19:04 GMT
Aww the Illuminati. Alot of people think or believe that the Order went defunct many years ago....
But according to the conspiracy theorists, they did survive and are manipulating the world towards what they call the NWO or New World Order.
It is interesting that Franklin (I think), wrote that he was very worried that Freemasonry had been infiltrated by the Illuminati.
In Occult circles here in Scotland, rumour has it that it was the Illuminati that put the Nazi Party in power in the 1930's.
Me personally, I believe they exist, and they are manufacturing global ideals, towards thier own goals.
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Post by willied77 on Nov 1, 2008 23:51:28 GMT
Franklin was a Noble Man and Brother and we should not dismiss his fears hastily.
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Post by teddyballgame on Nov 2, 2008 5:50:25 GMT
Let us again go back to the first days of the Illuminati. Because Britain and France were the two greatest world powers in the late years of the 18th Century; Weishaupt ordered the Illuminati to foment the colonial wars, including our Revolutionary War, to weaken the British Empire and organize the French Revolution to start in 1789. However; in 1784, a true act of God placed the Bavarian government in possession of evidence which proved the existence of the Illuminati and that evidence could have saved France if they, the French government, hadn't refused to believe it. Here is how that act of God happened. It was in 1784 that Weishaupt issued his orders for the French Revolution. A German writer, named Zweig, put it into book form. It contained the entire Illuminati story and Weishaupt's plans. A copy of this book was sent to the Illuminists in France headed by Robespierre whom Weishaupt had delegated to foment the French Revolution. The courier was struck and killed by lightening as he rode through Rawleston on his way from Frankfurt to Paris. The police found the subversive documents on his body and turned them over to the proper authorities. After a careful study of the plot; the Bavarian government ordered the police to raid Weishaupt's newly organized Lodges of the "Grand Orient" and the homes of his most influential associates. All additional evidence thus discovered convinced the authorities that the documents were genuine copies of the conspiracy by which the Illuminati planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the establishment of a one-world government; the powers of which they, headed by the Rothschilds, intended to usurp as soon as it was established, exactly in line with the United Nations' plot of today. In 1785, the Bavarian government outlawed the Illuminati and closed the Lodges of the "Grand Orient." In 1786; they published all the details of the conspiracy. The English title of that publication is: "The Original Writings of the Order and the Sect of the Illuminati." Copies of the entire conspiracy were sent to all the heads of church and state in Europe. But the power of the Illuminati, which was actually the power of the Rothschilds, was so great that this warning was ignored. Nevertheless; the Illuminati became a dirty word and it went underground. At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminists to infiltrate into the Lodges of "Blue Masonry" and formed their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God were initiated into the Illuminati. Thenceforth; the conspirators donned the cloak of philanthropy and humanitarianism to conceal their revolutionary and subversive activities. In order to infiltrate into Masonic Lodges in Britain; Weishaupt invited John Robison over to Europe. Robison was a high degree Mason in the "Scottish Rite." He was a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University and Secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison did not fall for the lie that the objective of the Illuminati was to create a benevolent dictatorship; but he kept his reactions to himself so well that he was entrusted with a copy of Weishaupt's revised conspiracy for study and safekeeping. Anyway; because the heads of state and church in France were deluded into ignoring the warnings given them; the revolution broke out in 1789 as scheduled by Weishaupt. In order to alert other governments to their danger, in 1798, Robison published a book entitled: "Proof of a Conspiracy to Destroy all Governments and Religions" but his warnings were ignored exactly as our American people have been ignoring all warnings about the United Nations and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Now here is something that will stun and very likely outrage many who hear this; but there is documentary proof that our own Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton became students of Weishaupt. Jefferson was one of Weishaupt's strongest defenders when he was outlawed by his government and it was Jefferson who infiltrated the Illuminati into the then newly organized lodges of the "Scottish Rite" in New England. Here is the proof. In 1789; John Robison warned all Masonic leaders in America that the Illuminati had infiltrated into their lodges and on July 19, 1789; David Papen, President of Harvard University, issued the same warning to the graduating class and lectured them on how the influence of Illuminism was acquitting on American politics and religion, and to top it off; John Quincy Adams, who had organized the New England Masonic Lodges, issued his warnings. Adams wrote three letters to Colonel William L. Stone, a top Mason, in which he exposed how Jefferson was using Masonic lodges for subversive Illuministic purposes. Those three letters are at this very time in Whittenburg Square Library in Philadelphia. In short; Jefferson, founder of the Democratic Party, was a member of the Illuminati which at least partly accounts for the condition of the party at this time and through infiltration of the Republican Party; we have exactly nothing of loyal Americanism today. That disastrous rebuff at the Congress of Vienna created by the Czar of Russia, Alexander I, did not by any means destroy the Illuminati conspiracy. It merely forced them to adopt a new strategy realizing that the one-world idea was, for the moment, killed. The Rothschild's decided that to keep the plot alive they would have to do it by heightening their control of the money system of the European nations. Earlier; by a ruse the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo had been falsified, Rothschild had spread a story that Napoleon had one bad battle which precipitated a terrific panic on the stock market in England. All stocks had plummeted down to practically zero and Nathan Rothschild bought all the stocks for virtually a penny on its dollar values. That gave him complete control of the economy of Britain and virtually of all Europe. So immediately after that Congress in Vienna had boomeranged; Rothschild had forced Britain to set up a new "Bank of England" which he had absolute control exactly, as later through Jacob Schiff; he engineered our own "Federal Reserve Act" which gave the House of Rothschild a secret control of the economy in the United States. But now for a moment; let's dwell on the activities of the Illuminati in the United States. educate-yourself.org/nwo/illuminatiagendabestoverviewyet8jun02.shtml
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Post by maximus on Nov 2, 2008 6:13:35 GMT
That information came from a tin-foil hat site. Thomas Jefferson was not a Freemason, nor was he involved with Masonic Lodges or the Illuminati. The Bavarian Illuminati was broken up, and went extinct at that point. It never intended the overthrow of governments, or the formation of a "One World Government" except in the imaginations of Konspiracy kooks. There are enough problems in the world caused by crooked politicians and religious nut-jobs without worrying with imaginary Konspiracy thories.
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Post by AndyF on Nov 2, 2008 7:03:08 GMT
What benefit could any one stand to gain from "infiltrating" masonic lodges? My lodge is struggling to organise a new lodge banner, let alone a new world order.
Oh, and that website is a real hoot. It made my day.
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Post by imakegarb on Nov 2, 2008 17:16:25 GMT
That information came from a tin-foil hat site. Thomas Jefferson was not a Freemason . . . I have to disagree with you here. There's much talk that when Thomas Jefferson went to Paris to take over as envoy from Benjamin Franklin, Franklin, as part of introducing Jefferson around, took Jefferson to visit the Lodge of the Nine Sisters (Muses). If Jefferson could sit in lodge with Franklin, then he must have been initiated elsewhere. And, so, was a Freemason. Yes, I know Mackey's Encyclopedia disagrees (see Volume 2 page 645) but H. Paul Jeffers, in his "The Freemasons in America" refers to Jefferson as a "probable" Freemason (see page 24) and I think there's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that he was. I'm a bit pressed just now but I imagine Bro. Fred could fill in even more details
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Post by maximus on Nov 2, 2008 18:39:11 GMT
That information came from a tin-foil hat site. Thomas Jefferson was not a Freemason . . . I have to disagree with you here. There's much talk that when Thomas Jefferson went to Paris to take over as envoy from Benjamin Franklin, Franklin, as part of introducing Jefferson around, took Jefferson to visit the Lodge of the Nine Sisters (Muses). If Jefferson could sit in lodge with Franklin, then he must have been initiated elsewhere. And, so, was a Freemason. Anythings possible, but, if so, he hid it well. Still, he didn't act as a water-carrier for the Illuminati. ;D
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Post by imakegarb on Nov 2, 2008 18:45:08 GMT
We are in full agreement there ;D
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Post by cosmicthought on Nov 3, 2008 4:42:24 GMT
From the information i have Frater Jefferson was a Rosicrucian! if you know the Rosicrucian cyhper he used and he spent much time with Bro.Bannaker (aka)who was a PH Freemason.Your membership in a fraternal Order is suppose to be a private affair!
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Post by freemanati on Jul 3, 2009 19:54:33 GMT
As far as I know .... the Illuminati and Freemasonry are hand-in-glove so to speak.
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Post by compass on Sept 23, 2009 10:24:07 GMT
Greeting all, I am new here to this forum but I thought I would make this my first post as I am interested in the Illuminati. I am currently reading Perfectibilists: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati by Terry Melanson which gives a fantastic account of the true Illuminati and their activities. Im not one to usually plug a book but this is worth reading for anyone who is interested in the subject.
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Post by magusmasonica on Sept 29, 2009 6:19:17 GMT
There may not be a more misunderstood cosmology than that of the "Illuminati."
On one side you have those who only think within defined boxes. They will tell you that the Bavarian Illuminati is the only Illuminati and thus was disbanded over 200 years ago.
On the otherside you will have the "tinfoil hat Brigade" who will blame the Illuminati for everything from the French Revolution to the move of Rice -A-Roni away from San Francisco.
The truth is that Illuminati means "the Illuminated." Shouldn't all seekers be Illuminati, or aspire to be? Shouldn't the Illuminati exist in the hearts, minds and actions of all Craftsmen?
Love and Light,
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Post by magusmasonica on Sept 29, 2009 22:38:18 GMT
Illumination It is what it is. I am proud of it. I consider Illuminati to be a high state of being and I embrace it. Regardless of what others narrow spin may be. In fact the Lodge Napoleon caps we just ordered will have Illuminati embroidered over the adjustable band,
We work in the light thus we are Illuminated.
Love and light,
Edited; To take out reference to GL of Georgia.
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Post by maat on Sept 29, 2009 23:50:15 GMT
Illumination It is what it is. I am proud of it. I consider Illuminati to be a high state of being and I embrace it. Regardless of what others narrow spin may be. In fact the Lodge Napoleon caps we just ordered will have Illuminati embroidered over the adjustable band, We work in the light thus we are Illuminated. Illumination is great - can't disagree. 'The illuminati' could apply to any group who think they are working with some degree of illumination, albeit it that 'illumination' might come from the sun or the fires of 'hell'. My point being Illumnation and Illuminati are two totally different words. I was interested to hear that your lodge Napoleon wore illuminati caps. When I put that together with your high praise for L Gelli I am starting to feel a chill down my spine. Really. From post #2 on this thread ... In 1785, the Bavarian government outlawed the Illuminati and closed the Lodges of the "Grand Orient." In 1786; they published all the details of the conspiracy. The English title of that publication is: "The Original Writings of the Order and the Sect of the Illuminati." Copies of the entire conspiracy were sent to all the heads of church and state in Europe. But the power of the Illuminati, which was actually the power of the Rothschilds, was so great that this warning was ignored. Nevertheless; the Illuminati became a dirty word and it went underground.
At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminists to infiltrate into the Lodges of "Blue Masonry" and formed their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God were initiated into the Illuminati. Thenceforth; the conspirators donned the cloak of philanthropy and humanitarianism to conceal their revolutionary and subversive activities. Hence to care which we should exercise when admitting new members !!! Freemasonry can be hijacked, one might say just as Christianity was. And lets face it. I come from an outback small town, went to school only until I was 15 - and even I can figure out that if I want a network of offices and personel worldwide, all I have to do is plan ahead and plant the right people in the right place... get them into Red Cross, Rotary, Freemasonry, World Bank, Catholic Church, Boy Scouts... don't even have to build the offices or pay the staff. (Bet most of you still think Hitler died at the Bunker... despite the evidence. Seems now that scientists have just discovered that 'Hitler's skull' was that of a young female... yesterday's newspaper). Maat
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Post by magusmasonica on Sept 30, 2009 1:05:09 GMT
Illumination It is what it is. I am proud of it. I consider Illuminati to be a high state of being and I embrace it. Regardless of what others narrow spin may be. In fact the Lodge Napoleon caps we just ordered will have Illuminati embroidered over the adjustable band, We work in the light thus we are Illuminated. Illumination is great - can't disagree. 'The illuminati' could apply to any group who think they are working with some degree of illumination, albeit it that 'illumination' might come from the sun or the fires of 'hell'. My point being Illumnation and Illuminati are two totally different words. I was interested to hear that your lodge Napoleon wore illuminati caps. When I put that together with your high praise for L Gelli I am starting to feel a chill down my spine. Really. From post #2 on this thread ... In 1785, the Bavarian government outlawed the Illuminati and closed the Lodges of the "Grand Orient." In 1786; they published all the details of the conspiracy. The English title of that publication is: "The Original Writings of the Order and the Sect of the Illuminati." Copies of the entire conspiracy were sent to all the heads of church and state in Europe. But the power of the Illuminati, which was actually the power of the Rothschilds, was so great that this warning was ignored. Nevertheless; the Illuminati became a dirty word and it went underground.
At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminists to infiltrate into the Lodges of "Blue Masonry" and formed their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God were initiated into the Illuminati. Thenceforth; the conspirators donned the cloak of philanthropy and humanitarianism to conceal their revolutionary and subversive activities. Hence to care which we should exercise when admitting new members !!! Freemasonry can be hijacked, one might say just as Christianity was. And lets face it. I come from an outback small town, went to school only until I was 15 - and even I can figure out that if I want a network of offices and personel worldwide, all I have to do is plan ahead and plant the right people in the right place... get them into Red Cross, Rotary, Freemasonry, World Bank, Catholic Church, Boy Scouts... don't even have to build the offices or pay the staff. (Bet most of you still think Hitler died at the Bunker... despite the evidence. Seems now that scientists have just discovered that 'Hitler's skull' was that of a young female... yesterday's newspaper). Maat Bro. Maat. I am sorry that you fee about me how you do. It might help you to understand that I have been afflicted with a terminal open mind. ;D My first interaction with Bro.Gelli came from WGH.Ripel. Now, Frank G. Ripel has shown me only kindness and love when others have shown me hatred and agression. I have come to respect him and his judgement more then you know. I also had the chance to meet Bro.gelli himself. I have found that real life experience with someone is worth 1000x mere speculation. But that is just IMHO. Back on the topic of the Illuminati I consider the ilumination of mind and spirit to be one with the divine work. The Illuminati to me is not defined by Weishaupt or anyone else, it is defined by my own internal flame. Love and Light,
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Post by maat on Sept 30, 2009 1:40:44 GMT
Brad - if I feel anything for you, it is concern. I think your enthusiasm is very genuine. Just keep in mind that charisma is not a quality possessed just by 'the good'. Bogus salesmen spring to mind, those types who can sell ice to eskimos.
Maat
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Post by magusmasonica on Sept 30, 2009 6:06:26 GMT
Brad - if I feel anything for you, it is concern. I think your enthusiasm is very genuine. Just keep in mind that charisma is not a quality possessed just by 'the good'. Bogus salesmen spring to mind, those types who can sell ice to eskimos. Maat Maat, In order to feel concern you would have to sincerly care. I'll take that ;D Thank You,
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Post by maat on Oct 1, 2009 0:06:24 GMT
I do sincerely care, you are my brother.
Love Maat
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Post by generatics on Oct 1, 2009 6:08:16 GMT
hey Bren. hope you're all well. just to chime in a fairly worthless 2 cents. just irks me whenever i hear any mention of Freemasonry in cahoots with the Nazi party. if the Illuminati settled themselves within Freemasonry, and had any hand within the Nazi party, then surely the Nazis would not have been exterminating Freemasons along with their other targets as they were? as an aside, here's a pretty touching story of a Masonic Lodge founded by Brothers, in secret, in a tent within a concentration camp. The Tyler was a Catholic Priest. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberté_chérie
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Post by maat on Oct 2, 2009 1:02:55 GMT
Generatics... no-one said that Freemasonry was in cahoots with the Nazi party! What was pointed out was that a masonic lodge was at one stage 'used' by some who had previous connections to the Nazi party.
Maat
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