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Post by cwhite on Aug 12, 2011 15:22:41 GMT
Normal stature in comparison to what? The average height of people has climbed slowly over the centuries, so in comparison to us, they're stature might be comparable. But our day and age is quite different then that of Pharaohs. You have to take into account the diet of Pharaoh vs his subjects. Malnutrition shrinks your stature, compare N.Korean average height to that of a S.Korean.
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Post by cwhite on Aug 12, 2011 16:18:01 GMT
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 12, 2011 21:13:18 GMT
I note many links to UFO sites, reptilian stuff and Biblical prophecy. Such sites tend to rely so much on each other for corroboration it's almost incestuous. Meanwhile they assiduously ignore (or take out of context) more reputable sources and especially those skeptical sites which bother to consider their delusional, tinfoil hat theories sufficiently to effectively debunk them.
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 13, 2011 21:19:05 GMT
There were [Nephilim] giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.Genesis 6:4["Nephilim" appears to come from a Hebrew root for "fallen," its translation as "giants" is very doubtful (in Ezekiel 32:27 a similar word is used to describe dead Philistine warriors)] Mata and GrifoneAssumption of Eve festivities, Messina, Sicily Today the festivities include the parading of two huge statues, I Giganti, a pair of 8-metre papier-maché giants representing Messina's legendary founders, Mata and Grifone.(In fact, Messina was founded by Greek colonists in the 8th Century BCE, but let's not spoil a good yarn).
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 14, 2011 3:00:56 GMT
Let's not neglect Paul Bunyan. I see no reason why his legend should be given less credence than more ancient tales which may have suffered in translation or been increasingly exaggerated in the telling (as all good story tellers are wont to do).
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Post by maat on Aug 15, 2011 4:26:47 GMT
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 15, 2011 20:42:32 GMT
The following were among the quotes I selected for today (AEST) on my site. I thought the first few were especially apt in the context of this discussion:
"Look here," Gerald said, "what do you think of Giants?" There was the kind of pause that happens when people do not like to say what they really think
Pretending was like that. Things seemed to make themselves up, once you got going
This is the mythosphere. It's made up of all the stories, theories and beliefs, legends, myths and hopes, that are generated here on Earth. As you can see, it's constantly growing and moving as people invent new tales to tell or find new things to believe. The older strands move out to become these spirals, where things tend to become quite crude and dangerous. They've hardened off, you see
If you take myth and folklore, and these things that speak in symbols, they can be interpreted in so many ways that although the actual image is clear enough, the interpretation is infinitely blurred, a sort of enormous rainbow of every possible colour you could imagine
Only thin, weak thinkers despise fairy stories. Each one has a true, strange fact hidden in it, you know, which you can find if you look
Things we are accustomed to regard as myth or fairy story are very much present in people’s lives. Nice people behave like wicked stepmothers. Every day
Take it from me, Fate doesn't care most of the time Diana Wynne Jones, English author (Born this day 1934) There is very seldom any true secret[/center]
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Post by sammy on Aug 17, 2011 15:17:33 GMT
The following were among the quotes I selected for today (AEST) on my site. I thought the first few were especially apt in the context of this discussion:
"Look here," Gerald said, "what do you think of Giants?" There was the kind of pause that happens when people do not like to say what they really think
Pretending was like that. Things seemed to make themselves up, once you got going
This is the mythosphere. It's made up of all the stories, theories and beliefs, legends, myths and hopes, that are generated here on Earth. As you can see, it's constantly growing and moving as people invent new tales to tell or find new things to believe. The older strands move out to become these spirals, where things tend to become quite crude and dangerous. They've hardened off, you see
If you take myth and folklore, and these things that speak in symbols, they can be interpreted in so many ways that although the actual image is clear enough, the interpretation is infinitely blurred, a sort of enormous rainbow of every possible colour you could imagine
Only thin, weak thinkers despise fairy stories. Each one has a true, strange fact hidden in it, you know, which you can find if you look
Things we are accustomed to regard as myth or fairy story are very much present in people’s lives. Nice people behave like wicked stepmothers. Every day
Take it from me, Fate doesn't care most of the time Diana Wynne Jones, English author (Born this day 1934) There is very seldom any true secret [/center][/quote] Hmmm she looks familiar... OHHH I remember, "The Dark Crystal". Much more creditable...
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 17, 2011 21:05:58 GMT
Hmmm, The old belittle what a woman has to say on the basis of of her appearance strategy.
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Post by sammy on Aug 18, 2011 13:27:04 GMT
Hmmm, The old belittle what a woman has to say on the basis of of her appearance strategy. You give more credit to this woman, because her argument coincides with your own. Well others stories coincide with the possibility that at 4 feet, an 8 foot person would be a giant. Add militia training and you got goliath. Put an axe in his hand and you got Paul Bunyon (although I doubt he made the grand canyon with one swing). The truth is what you make it, your saying it didnt even happen.
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Post by fractal3rd on Aug 18, 2011 13:35:56 GMT
I once watched an interesting dvd on the Nephilum (Mis translation in some versions of the bible). The Sons of God, was a translation of Bene HaElohim - literally off the Most High - then sons of Man were off Adam.
So the theory was there were two 'races' on earth one a hibrid of angelic beings and one of adam.
Anyhow the translation to Nephilum should have been Gigas in Greek - Meaning Earth Born - but it was translated Giant. It is interesting that the so called Satanic Bible discovered in The Czech Republic has the name Codex Gigas. The Codex of the Earth born. This is where the concept of evil or demons truely came from - if the hibrid beings had a non typical soul/spirit where would they go should they die - hence the concept of Spirits was borne.
Also, if you had to read the Lost book of Enoch (did not make it into the Torah or Septuagent), this gives an account of Enochs intercession on the behalf of these "Nephilum" and God's response to it. Awesome book - even if you are not Christian - FYI Lucifer is never mentioned here - and it gives account of all the fallen (just to follow on the Thread about Lucifer).
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 18, 2011 20:52:24 GMT
That's not even a word... Barely ("worthy of credit"): I think he meant "credible" ("believable").
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 18, 2011 21:10:04 GMT
Hmmm, The old belittle what a woman has to say on the basis of of her appearance strategy. You give more credit to this woman, because her argument coincides with your own.And you give less credit to her because her argument does not coincide with your own (and you belittle her argument not with facts or logic but on the basis that she is a woman you consider to be unattractive). The whole "giant" issue here is relative (one of "giving an inch and taking a mile"). Obviously there are tall humans and an occassional giant in the medical sense of the word, relatively not much outside of what is simply considered "tall." However, giants of fairy tale proportions are just that, fairy tales. The legend of Paul Bunyan is by definition a tall tale.
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Post by sammy on Aug 19, 2011 15:01:27 GMT
You give more credit to this woman, because her argument coincides with your own. And you give less credit to her because her argument does not coincide with your own (and you belittle her argument not with facts or logic but on the basis that she is a woman you consider to be unattractive). The whole "giant" issue here is relative (one of "giving an inch and taking a mile"). Obviously there are tall humans and an occassional giant in the medical sense of the word, relatively not much outside of what is simply considered "tall." However, giants of fairy tale proportions are just that, fairy tales. The legend of Paul Bunyan is by definition a tall tale. I offered no such argument, only a perceptual truth. Giants by scale of avg. height is more then concievable. You even agree, which makes the tales no less true in some aspects. Any recorded history is never the full truth of the event, even film can be manipulated. Secondly she REALY has simularities with that dark crystal pic, which is not my fault. "Creditable/credible" who is knit picking now? I have many straws, you dont need to grab at them.
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Post by sammy on Aug 19, 2011 15:12:09 GMT
On the actual subject, I think that once things are "explained" they loose thier luster. Stars at one time had a spiritual value in peoples hearts and minds. Now they are explained as giant balls of gas like our own sun, the luster is mostly gone and only worthe our time when one has gone super nova. I still sit at night and look at the stars wondering all kinds of things, because even though its explained it is no less amazing to me.
So was paul bunyon completely non-existent, or is it possible he existed and some of his story (obviousley) was exagerated. Afterall its a story for the kids, im sure they thought parents would use thier sense in the matter. Other then the grand canyon, the story says he just cut down a bunch of trees.
What we call really tall they called giants, so yes giants are real. The definition is the same in conclusion.
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 20, 2011 8:06:37 GMT
I offered no such argument, only a perceptual truth. Giants by scale of avg. height is more then concievable. You even agree, which makes the tales no less true in some aspects. Any recorded history is never the full truth of the event, even film can be manipulated. What then is your argument? And what does the sentence "Giants by scale of avg. height is more then Concievable" (with which I am meant to have agreed) even mean? Secondly she REALY has simularities with that dark crystal pic, which is not my fault. And how does your perceived connection discredit what she had to say? "Creditable" / "credible" who is knit picking now? I have many straws, you dont need to grab at them. Hey! I was sticking up for you. In other words another poster had said "creditable" wasn't even a word and I was saying it was (although not very apt). However, if you want to make your literacy and spelling (or lack thereof) an issue, go for it.
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Post by sammy on Aug 20, 2011 12:51:21 GMT
Yesterday at 3:01pm, sammy wrote:"Creditable" / "credible" who is knit picking now? I have many straws, you dont need to grab at them.
Hey! I was sticking up for you.
Quote: Aug 17, 2011, 9:59pm, anubis wrote: Aug 17, 2011, 3:17pm, sammy wrote:creditable...
That's not even a word...
Barely ("worthy of credit"): I think he meant "credible" ("believable").
In other words another poster had said "creditable" wasn't even a word and I was saying it was (although not very apt). However, if you want to make your literacy and spelling (or lack thereof) an issue, go for it.
Ahh yes my apoligies, just direct the comment toward Anubis My literacy is always an issue, nothing needs made of that.
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Post by rembrandt on Aug 21, 2011 0:46:37 GMT
Second verse same as the first Sammy?
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Post by cwhite on Aug 21, 2011 16:25:37 GMT
Maybe they were considered giants because of they're ability to belittle people?
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Post by cwhite on Aug 21, 2011 16:26:42 GMT
Or because they were people to "look up to"...
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