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Post by magusmasonica on Mar 4, 2010 0:20:24 GMT
This statement of yours is what led me to believe that you don't have an Obligation: I just get the benifit of totally ignoring your Masonic code. The best of both worlds. My apologies if I misinterpreted this statement, but perhaps you can see where I would have formed that conclusion. I certainly won't pretend to understand what your obedience is based upon, and I don't seek to belittle it. It's simply not Masonry by my definition. Thanks for the apology Bob. For the record I don't see how you could have formed that conclusion. I have not previously ran into anyone who confused an obligation with a GL Masonic Code. Love and Light,
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Post by bobash on Mar 5, 2010 5:47:45 GMT
Please be careful how you refer to 'Marines' I have seen many a major argument caused by disrespecting the Marines, please leave it there. Being a Marine myself I have no fear of such "arguments". I have edited to add a profile pic...this is me in 1978 in Korea.
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Post by bobash on Mar 5, 2010 5:55:24 GMT
Thanks for the apology Bob. For the record I don't see how you could have formed that conclusion. I have not previously ran into anyone who confused an obligation with a GL Masonic Code. Love and Light, As I said, I don't understand your obedience, and semantics are fraught with misunderstanding. Personally I think GL laws/etc are a smaller part of it. For me, regularity is defined primarily by the landmarks. The example you mentioned earlier, PHA masonry, is also an interesting comment. I've sat in PHA lodge and had PHA Masons present at degrees in my lodge. They are brother Masons to me in every way. Every man must follow his dream; just because we don't agree with each other doesn't make our knowledge or struggles any less valid. But for me in my obedience, Masonry is carefully defined and imparting degrees online ain't it.
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Post by magusmasonica on Mar 5, 2010 18:04:10 GMT
Thanks for the apology Bob. For the record I don't see how you could have formed that conclusion. I have not previously ran into anyone who confused an obligation with a GL Masonic Code. Love and Light, As I said, I don't understand your obedience, and semantics are fraught with misunderstanding. Personally I think GL laws/etc are a smaller part of it. For me, regularity is defined primarily by the landmarks. The example you mentioned earlier, PHA masonry, is also an interesting comment. I've sat in PHA lodge and had PHA Masons present at degrees in my lodge. They are brother Masons to me in every way. Every man must follow his dream; just because we don't agree with each other doesn't make our knowledge or struggles any less valid. But for me in my obedience, Masonry is carefully defined and imparting degrees online ain't it. Just to be clear. I am not a member of the AA&EF nor have I ever been. I am a defender of their right to exist and their self determination. We don't do internet degrees either, but I have zero problem with those who choose to. That is their business. If those who receive those degrees experience trans-mutative results and improve their lives through Freemasonry who am I to argue against it? Bob, you mention PHA. That is a good example as PHA is pretty different in a lot of ways to mainstream F-AF&AM Masonry. The GL of OK has decided to respect PHA's self determination. That's a good thing. I just take it one step further. I only care about the work and it's positive effects on the individual and the whole. The when and how is of very little importance to me. Love and Light,
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Post by maximus on Mar 5, 2010 18:27:15 GMT
I am a defender of their right to exist and their self determination. I think they exist and are capable of determining their own destiny. No one is disputing that. I think they can speak for themselves, and have no need of a male "defender."
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Post by magusmasonica on Mar 5, 2010 18:32:59 GMT
I am a defender of their right to exist and their self determination. I think they exist and are capable of determining their own destiny. No one is disputing that. I think they can speak for themselves, and have no need of a male "defender." I think one can never have too many friends. That's my take anyway. Love and Light,
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Post by KNOs1s on Mar 5, 2010 18:33:41 GMT
I am a defender of their right to exist and their self determination. I think they exist and are capable of determining their own destiny. No one is disputing that. I think they can speak for themselves, and have no need of a male "defender." I agree with both of you. I am fully in support of their right to exist, and always have been. I'm pretty sure the U.S. Constitution guarantees those rights.
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Post by humbleseeker1 on Mar 7, 2010 14:31:13 GMT
Maybe the mail order people couldnt get into a real lodge.
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Post by magusmasonica on Mar 7, 2010 15:41:16 GMT
Maybe the mail order people couldnt get into a real lodge. Why do you feel the need to question others motivations? If it works for them, they improve themselves through Masonry and are happy what do you care? Love and Light,
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Post by maximus on Mar 7, 2010 16:17:23 GMT
Maybe the mail order people couldnt get into a real lodge. Why do you feel the need to question others motivations? If it works for them, they improve themselves through Masonry and are happy what do you care? Why so defensive?
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Mar 7, 2010 22:46:17 GMT
One thing that seems strange to me is that if we are looking around for an online university to get our degree, we want to make sure that it is accredited by certain bodies, that it has the necessary credentials, etc. But why dont we look for this is a philosophical and spiritual organization that can change our entire lives and ways of being and doing? I have to say that makes little to no sense to me.
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Post by magusmasonica on Mar 7, 2010 23:00:48 GMT
One thing that seems strange to me is that if we are looking around for an online university to get our degree, we want to make sure that it is accredited by certain bodies, that it has the necessary credentials, etc. But why dont we look for this is a philosophical and spiritual organization that can change our entire lives and ways of being and doing? I have to say that makes little to no sense to me. It simply isn't applicable that's why. I mean who would give the accreditation? What would make it more "valid" than anything else? Freemasonry deals with symbolism and allegory. It can't be held to a standard as a institution that deals in mathematics for an example as Freemasonry is not now nor has it ever been a standardized "product." Love and Light,
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 7, 2010 23:25:38 GMT
The the alternative then, is you can get accredited by 'Honest Joe' your local second hand car dealer.
But I agree in one sense that you do not need to be authorised to be a Freemason.
However the term 'Mail-Order Esoteric Masonry' implies that someone somewhere is validating your proficiency in the subject and if you wish to be instructed on line, I would presume that the person would like some form or way of identifying the instructor knows what they are talking about.
Most of the GL's have some form of on-line instruction system. I am for example a Lodge Mentor and my job is to supply my GL's instruction to members of my Lodge. From Initiate to Master. But the only certificate you get is being a Master Mason then a Worshipful Master.
But for some reason many dismiss the GL documentation as mundane and not Esoteric, well I have not found that to be the case. Like beauty some things are in the eye or indeed the mind of the beholder.
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 8, 2010 0:21:46 GMT
If one cares to actually look at a Grand Lodge Certificate, or what we in LDH call a Diploma, there is much in the way of symbolism to be found thereon. The Royal Arch Certificate, at least the UGLE one, is a bit plain but the Rose Croix one is very beautiful as is that of the Malecraft AMD. It is a matter of not just putting it in an envelope in one's regalia case but actually looking at it from time to time and recognising the symbols and their meanings both Mundane and Esoteric.
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Post by maximus on Mar 8, 2010 6:54:43 GMT
We don't have such a certificate here in my jurisdiction, I did get a beautiful Masonic Edition Bible signed by the Brethren, but I do have my Great-Grandfathers 33° AASR-NMJ certificate. It is rather gorgeous, I think, and rather full of symbolism.
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Post by brodragb on May 19, 2016 1:56:50 GMT
Hello Are there any Esoteric Masons in the Tennessee:Millington/Memphis area or am I the only one?
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