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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 29, 2009 22:29:39 GMT
I agree with afterthought
Who is about to provide evidence that his facts on the Bible are facts.
That is he must now prove God did not write anything in the Bible.
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Post by vtmason on Mar 29, 2009 23:49:07 GMT
They are not compelled to do so and I did not say they were either. No GL is compelled to do anything. However, in my experience GLs/GOs do provide a proper explanation of their own free will and accord that explains any actions taken. That is the usual masonic protocol. Masonry has moved on from the draconian era concerning communications. Even potential members are entitled to know what they are getting in to. I've yet to understand the basis for which you seem to speak with such authority about Grand Lodges, but in my experience, Grand Lodges do NOT explain their actions, nor do they need to. There are hundreds of Grand Lodges in this country alone, regular or not. Do you follow the actions of each of them as closely as the GOUSA?
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Post by vtmason on Mar 30, 2009 9:51:06 GMT
Yes, I probably do. There is an issue at the GLWV and GLMN at the moment. There was a recent issue between the GLNY and the GLDC. Are you aware of these facts? Yeah. I've been watching the West Virginia deal pretty closely. Those problems have been brewing for some time now. That is the popular blog stuff though. What about the lodge charter suspensions and other expelled Masons? There is a ton of that stuff. My point is that the daily doings of Grand Lodges aren't posted out there for public consumption
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 30, 2009 10:39:29 GMT
vtmason has a point, GL do not court the internet world.
However like the 'wannerbee' rock star GO USA has courted the Internet world on Forum , Blogs etc.
So like the 'Rock Star' fame costs and this is where you pay. [No, no that is from the film]
But you see my point.
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Post by brandt on Mar 30, 2009 15:10:48 GMT
I am a Rock Star. I am not sure that the Grand Orient is a rock star at all. They are more involved boring administrative matters. I am a rock star and I expect that I should be treated as such (in case the internet has not conveyed this properly I feel that I need to say that I am being facetious).
Regarding the subject of the Grand Orient being controlled by one man. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is simply not a "fact" and if anyone, particularly a great scholar, had any evidence to the contrary they should submit it along with their assertion.
Regarding our silence on issues that pertain only to us, all I can say is please show me your check book and submit to the forum the financial statements of your Grand Lodge. Transparency is very important but only to the members of the Grand Lodge in question.
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Post by brandt on Mar 30, 2009 17:33:00 GMT
At least in our own minds, if that. I have been following the news on the GL WV and the GL MN. I hope everything works out soon. The sooner the better. I don't dig nor attempt to interfere. I will speak my mind on it if the occasion requires, or if I feel like it, but I will not demand that they answer to me. I will also not spend too much time worried about it.
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Post by dwbro1 on Mar 30, 2009 21:46:26 GMT
I've not said anything on this topic as Brother Brandt has done an excellent job thus far addressing the GOUSA matters. I want take a minute to thank the administrator and moderators for their tireless, thankless jobs they do here or anywhere. Many do not know what it takes to do their job, it can be quite a daunting task at times. I am a GOUSA Mason and have been for a long time. I can assure you the GOUSA is not run by one individual, it's actually quite the opposite, by design. If you are curious or want to know more about me and why I chose the GOUSA path, you can find it HERE. Again Moderators (& admin) you all are doing an excellent job. Keep up the good work.
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Post by vtmason on Mar 31, 2009 10:22:54 GMT
I've not said anything on this topic as Brother Brandt has done an excellent job thus far addressing the GOUSA matters. I want take a minute to thank the administrator and moderators for their tireless, thankless jobs they do here or anywhere. Many do not know what it takes to do their job, it can be quite a daunting task at times. I am a GOUSA Mason and have been for a long time. I can assure you the GOUSA is not run by one individual, it's actually quite the opposite, by design. If you are curious or want to know more about me and why I chose the GOUSA path, you can find it HERE. Again Moderators (& admin) you all are doing an excellent job. Keep up the good work. What's a long time, 8 months?
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Post by dwbro1 on Mar 31, 2009 19:51:41 GMT
December 27, 2005
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Post by maximus on Mar 31, 2009 20:18:19 GMT
GOUSA didn't exist then.
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Post by vtmason on Mar 31, 2009 21:20:32 GMT
Even if it did, 3 1/2 years really isn't a long time to me. It's all relative suppose
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 31, 2009 21:47:26 GMT
Brothers
I have made it clear that we will not have any ridicule of any Grand Lodge, no matter how irregular some members of this Forum believe it to be. Bro D Brown has posted one comment on this Forum and there you are wanting to put him down. Please for the sake of all the members of this Forum. Do not try to crack an egg with a sledgehammer, please practise tolerance and understanding no matter how much you disagree/disbelieve or even dislike a subject. There are loads of Forums out there that will allow this. We want all Freemasons to feel able to express thier opinions freely. This will then enable all of us to decide ourselves what is right and what is wrong. By forcing your opinions on all of us it works the opposite.
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Post by brandt on Mar 31, 2009 23:37:29 GMT
Brother Dale is a far better Mason than I could ever be. There are many, or at least some, on this forum that respect me as I respect them. Brother Dale outshines many Masons in the world. He, like all of us, are still learning but I consider him a true master of life.
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Post by maat on Apr 1, 2009 0:06:51 GMT
I find Bro Dale a bright and shining star also. I sure hope he contributes more here. "By their fruits, you shall know them" Sweetness and Light Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 1, 2009 0:08:10 GMT
Q - Would the world be more harmonius without Grand Lodges? Serious question. Something to think about over coffee.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 1, 2009 0:15:07 GMT
Q - Would the world be more harmonius without Grand Lodges? Serious question. Something to think about over coffee. Maat A-Yes, I have found the evidence to be pointing in that direction.
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Post by vtmason on Apr 1, 2009 1:03:03 GMT
Brother Dale is a far better Mason than I could ever be. There are many, or at least some, on this forum that respect me as I respect them. Brother Dale outshines many Masons in the world. He, like all of us, are still learning but I consider him a true master of life. brandt Good enough for me, Brother. My apologies to Brother Dale. I misfired.
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Post by brandt on Apr 1, 2009 1:43:58 GMT
First you will note my dear Brother that Euclid Lodge only surfaced with the Grand Orient possibility. Euclid was part of that development. We came together to form this particular Masonic edifice.
Sirius and Halcyon did vote (the Brethren of those Lodges) to join the Grand Orient of the United States. Until that time we were all technically separate. If I were so inclined I could pull up the minutes from the Euclid meeting at which we decided to become part of the Grand Orient.
Maat, I think that the Masonic world would be better without Grand Lodges, then we could actually just be Masons together. Much like we are trying to accomplish here at this forum. Perhaps one day that will come to pass. Through this forum and others like it I have had the pleasure of interacting with Brethren such as you, VTmason, Bill McElliot and several others that I consider Masons of the highest order.
VTMason, there is no need to apologize at all. I am sure that Brother Dale would not ask for an apology. It is an honest question amongst Brothers. Brother Dale is a good man and I am sure that he will discuss it in greater detail if the situation requires when he comes back this way. He would be a great asset to this forum.
Brother Architekt, you have your history wrong. The Rite of the Rose Cross of Gold was an interesting experiment but it was not an ancestor of the Grand Orient.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 1, 2009 3:21:43 GMT
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Post by brandt on Apr 1, 2009 10:56:01 GMT
They may seem to have, but they have not. We do have some interesting Brethren who attempted some experiments that just didn't work at the time. Brandt Sorry Brandt I hit the wrong button
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