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Post by afterthought on Mar 30, 2009 23:10:41 GMT
Another bit of hit piece propaganda. No more important than what would be published by the The Star.
Yarker's work speaks for itself. The Arcane Schools is a benchmark book.
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Post by afterthought on Mar 31, 2009 1:57:51 GMT
I don't see the point in posting something like this that only bashes a long dead Freemason. These aren't facts, this is inflamitory opinion.
It seems to me that the post could only be one to cause tension and argument.
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Post by afterthought on Mar 31, 2009 3:23:40 GMT
Not Saints, but not malicious either. This is a very tolerant forum, you seem to be trying to push in another direction. Why?
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Post by afterthought on Mar 31, 2009 4:30:41 GMT
The purpose of my postings is to bring more obscure information concerning all aspects of freemasonry to the forum. I have yet to fathom out if you are in fact a Mason. I'm sure you will be posting another reply to my message on 'Fringe Freemasonry' questioning its relevance here. This forum is about Freemasonry - the good, the bad and the ugly. Your postings come from a very obvious point of view. The reason why you cannot "fathom" things about me is because I have chosen not to make those items avalible on this board for a reason. Now, you have claimed to have studied each and every one of my posts. You should know these things by now.
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 31, 2009 21:40:30 GMT
Afterthought
I would normally address you as brother but I do not believe you have been initiated yet!? If you have then take it as being there!
Yarker is always of particular interest to me, Bro Architekt has actually posted an interesting and in my opinion unbiased article about him. Please step back from thinking everything that Bro Architekt posts is meant to be derogatory or even inflammatory, it is not. Bro Architekt is a very knowledgable and well researched member of this Forum. What he has put up is ideal for discussion, it states categorically that Yarker was not a charlatan (which I agree with). And also puts up much that is worthy of debate!
As a moderator I am aware there are some issues simmering around our Bro Architekt, however he has not broken any Forum rules, he contributes and puts forward much to think about and discuss, I personally wish he would sometimes add his own take on things but it is not in this Forums rules that he must do that.
Please let the moderators moderate when it is needed otherwise continue to enjoy what this Forum has to offer, and continue to contribute the way you have which I am sure is appreciated by our other members
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Post by afterthought on Mar 31, 2009 21:58:21 GMT
Middlepillar, You may address me however you wish. I do not advertise my membership in anything as I try to give out as few details about myself as possible, especially on the web. The web may have it's flaws but the anonymity it affords is it's greatest asset.
On to the topic at hand. I can say that I really loathe topics of regularity because of the fact of regularity being soley an inter-organizational practice is almost always omitted.
I also did not appreciate the articles statement of Theodore Reuss being a "fraud." I found that offensive.
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 31, 2009 22:23:42 GMT
On to the topic at hand. I can say that I really loathe topics of regularity because of the fact of regularity being soley an inter-organizational practice is almost always omitted. I also did not appreciate the articles statement of Theodore Reuss being a "fraud." I found that offensive. Afterthought I would like to address these comments you make; First, no matter how much any of us loathe something it does not mean that it cannot and should not be discussed. I think that this Forum has constantly proven we take matters of regularity with a pinch of salt, we are what we are. And we are here to discuss whatever our members wish to discuss as long as it does not breach our guidelines. Regarding Theodore Reuss, I do not think Architekt is having a pop at Reuss, I believe he has copied and pasted an article for our consumption from somewhere else, he has even given attribution. The article is printed to start a discussion, as I have said earlier I feel Architekt lets himself down by not putting his own thoughts on the line but that is his choice. If you feel Reuss has been badly tainted by this article then defend him as is your right. Do not start an unnecessary tit for tat because you do not like something, put your reasons forward. I am sure this would generate much appreciated debate. For myself I find Reuss an interesting man and I do not put him in the same boat as Crowley. But I still have not made up my mind on him yet, I have more reading to do to get to that point.
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Post by afterthought on Mar 31, 2009 23:07:05 GMT
Those articles are simply biased based on one view of "regularity" as well as assumptions based on the "motives" behind actions. Decent reads but nothing solid.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 1, 2009 0:13:37 GMT
To be really honest I don't care how you take what I post. What you get or don't from my posts is up to you.
You post "research" founded in opinion and then you blast me for posting my opinion.
Curious.
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Post by brandt on Apr 1, 2009 1:58:15 GMT
I usually hate to diverge from the topic of a particular thread but I feel that I must in this particular instance.
It is no secret that Brother Architekt and I hold very different opinions on a lot of subjects. With all of the intellectual and academic subjects aside, and the the veiled shots which I don't mind - I might even throw a few back, he is still a Brother that I respect. I get the impression that the feeling is mutual. Brother Architekt has his ideas and agendas, so do we all. That is the way of things. That is not an indictment on his character.
Regarding Afterthought, we have communicated back channel. I don't know him (assuming he is male - sorry if I am wrong) but he has proven to be decent to me and others. He is opinionated but so are we all.
I serve as the Grand Secretary of the Grand Orient of the United States and I am the secreatary (a good one at that) and the Immediate Past Master of my Lodge. All of that means nothing. It is far more important that I am a Master Mason in our greater fraternity. That is all that should be important here. Not to speak for the owners and moderators of this forum but I believe that is the point that they are trying to get across.
The great thing is that Brother Architekt could show up at my home tonight and just tell me who he is and I would take care of him if he needed it. I suspect that he would do the same for me. Of course I would keep him up all night talking but that is neither here nor there. Although we are all from different organizations we are all Masons and we are all in this together.
My dear Brother MiddlePillar, the world is about to get more interesting really soon.
Frat.·. Brandt
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Post by afterthought on Apr 1, 2009 2:11:39 GMT
If you read the links you will find the writers of these articles provided footnotes to back up their statements. They are not stating opinions they are stating facts. That's the difference between serious research and sound bites thrown out as supposed rebuttal. If you want to play in the sandbox with me you will need to start providing some factual based details and evidence. Anything less is a disservice to the readers here. The constant references to regularity in the articles skew their objectivity. As already pointed out on numerous occasions, regularity is strictly an inner-jurisdictional designation. When one speaks of any other Order as "irregular" it is only opinion as it would no longer lie in the realm of fact.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 1, 2009 3:20:28 GMT
If you ever become a real Mason then you will find out it is a fact. I'm afraid to burst your balloon but in the real world these are normal Masonic terminology. You will also hear mention of the expression 'mainstream' in reference to so-called white US GLs when discussing the state PHA counterpart. There is also PHO which PHA considers to be irregular even clandestine. It used to be called Bogus Black Masonry. So, welcome to the real and not virtual world of Freemasonry universal. I recommend a cheap soft covered book to you called 'Pantagraph's List of GLs', it is printed annually in the USA. It is very informative. quote] Your assumptions do not make you look enlightened, but more like a bureaucrat. Not everyone really cares about group opinions of other groups. It all works out to be about the same relevance as Roman Catholics opinion fo Reformed Catholics. Personally, these types of scenarios I find about as interesting as stale bread. What is clear is that both Yarker and Reuss are spoken of, their works digested and what they had to teach learned; a long time after their bodies have returned to the Earth. If either you or I are that lucky then perhaps someday we will compare.
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Post by offramp on Apr 7, 2009 13:14:38 GMT
...Yarker's work speaks for itself. The Arcane Schools is a benchmark book. I have read bits of that book and I found it to be full of fables and unverified facts. Is it worth reading dans sa totalité?
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