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Post by humbleseeker1 on Jul 7, 2009 15:16:20 GMT
No you can not prove that God exist. That gives us the foundations of Faith. Faith being the evidence of things not seen. Also this is the foolishness of God but the foolihness of God is wiser than the wisest man. That is why so many people reject God or keep asking for evidence of God or some kind of proof. The proof is in your own faith
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Post by paulh on Jul 8, 2009 0:48:25 GMT
Faith being the evidence of things not seen. Faith is pretty tricky as evidence. For example some people have faith that their sect is the only true one and that their god will save them. Not all of the user reports have been encouraging. In Masonry we have Holy Royal Arch where the point is made that when we see God then faith and hope are no longer required and all that remains is love. Hence my interest in eye-witness accounts
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Post by maat on Jul 8, 2009 3:11:42 GMT
Haven't seen God, but have seen an angel (minus wings ). Told me reincarnation was a fact. Never had a single millisecond of doubt since. If I was the only person in the whole world who held that belief, I would not be shaken from it. I count that experience as one of my most precious gifts in this life. Maat
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Post by brandt on Jul 8, 2009 4:30:35 GMT
Must be something to do with the difference between truth and fiction.
Brandt
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Post by humbleseeker1 on Jul 8, 2009 4:51:38 GMT
could there be only a limited number of human spirits just being recalled again and again. Thats interesting. We may be just staying on earth until the final days.
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Post by maximus on Jul 8, 2009 4:56:51 GMT
Women are proof of God's existence. And beer.
So there.
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Post by maat on Jul 8, 2009 5:04:46 GMT
could there be only a limited number of human spirits just being recalled again and again. Thats interesting. We may be just staying on earth until the final days. Read once of a very young child asking his mum... "Why does God let people die and then make new ones? Why doesn't he just keep the one's he's got?" Smart kid!
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Post by maat on Jul 8, 2009 5:05:16 GMT
Women are proof of God's existence. Smart Max!
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Post by freemanati on Jul 8, 2009 8:44:16 GMT
Women are proof of God's existence. And beer. So there. amen
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Post by magusmasonica on Jul 8, 2009 19:12:09 GMT
The legal system likes eye-witnesses, but the theological system appears to dislike them. Perhaps the eye-witnesses disagree with the theologians. There have been plenty of eye witnesses, the question is do you believe them. Nope, I don't believe any of them. Love and Light,
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Post by maat on Jul 8, 2009 23:35:04 GMT
Why?
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Post by magusmasonica on Jul 8, 2009 23:57:35 GMT
The eye witnesses? Ever play the game telephone as a child? Love and Light,
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Post by QUEST on Jul 9, 2009 0:11:41 GMT
So, if there is no objective proof. Is there a common conscious factor that everyone can agree upon when it comes to a Divine being? I agree that it is more a faith issue then science, but that still does not stop me from searching for more light and understanding. And the more I search that more I find and believe. And to me that is proof enough. To some degree we all believe but cannot always agree, so the basic proof most be internal. God particle maybe?
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Post by vajranagini on Jul 9, 2009 1:23:54 GMT
When the young man who would later be known as "Swami Vivekananda" approached the great Aquarian Avatar Shri Ramakrishna Paramahansa and asked him :Sir, have you seen God?" Shri Ramakrishna immediately replied: "Yes, God can be seen. I see Him more clearly than I see you."
No one can "prove" the existence of God to you. You have to prove it to yourself. And, to do that, you have to WANT God more desperately than you want ANYTHING ELSE. There is a Sufi tale that when a disciple who wanted to see God approached his master about it, the master took him to a pond, stood him in it-and shoved his head under the water, holding it there until the disciple was almost drowned. Then he pulled him out, Once the disciple had regained his breath, the teacher told him "When you crave the presence of God as much as you craved a breath of air a few moments ago,, then and ONLY then, will you be able to see Him!"
Ramakrishna said essentially the same thing when he said "Everyone sheds potfuls of tears for children, wife, husband,money, possessions-tears for everything BUT the presence of God. When you shed tears for God's sake, when you crave His presence with the combined force of a child's craving for its mother, a miser's craving for his money, and the desire of a chaste wife for her husband, then and only then, will God appear to you!"
The hard fact is, is that the veil of maya has no reason to lift and show you the Divine UNTIL you have demonstrated that the material has no more attraction for you. As long as you are "in thrall" by the illusion of material existence, with its myriad attractions, God has no "reason" to drop the scales from your eyes. In fact, it would be downright disruptive! That is why religious hermits traditionally relinquish human ties, sex, family, companionship, the burdens of the material world: in order to focus all their energies on obtaining "Divine union". They are communicating to the Divine that nothing material has attraction for them any more; that they wish to 'go beyond" the world of appearances. A great teacher once said,"Whoever sincerely wishes to attain God will do so; it is only a question of time". Some people have to go several lifetimes before they do so, others will attain immediately. This is all part of karma. One has to clear one's karma in order to attain the state of Divine communion; this is what is meant by "purifying oneself".
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Post by paulh on Jul 9, 2009 2:34:53 GMT
the veil of maya has no reason to lift and show you the Divine UNTIL you have demonstrated that the material has no more attraction for you. To be a bit more technical, there is a veil (blockage) in the human between the physical and etheric bodies to prevent the physical body being aware of energies. There is also a veil between the lower and higher mind to prevent the human from detecting transcendent entities. Both veils may be progressively eroded by purification (physical and psychological) and meditation. In some cases the veils can be removed by intervention The passing of those veils allows the candidate to see the Divine Creation more clearly, but there is still far to go to see the Source face to face
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Post by roman on Jul 19, 2009 16:52:08 GMT
If man is made in the image of God, when you see man you are looking at god.
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Post by lauderdale on Jul 19, 2009 16:57:38 GMT
Can you prove that God dosen't exist?
Matters are a lot more logical to me if there is a Supreme Being.
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Post by QUEST on Jul 19, 2009 21:38:38 GMT
I agree with you lauderdale and roman. I also asked my friend could he prove that God does not exist. He said no. But, for me when I am aware of the God inside of myself, it is easier to see Him in others. To be the objective proof would be in the beauty, balance, and harmony in nature and things around us. I do not believe that I need objective proof, I have proof were it is the most important. My spiritual conciousness.
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Post by whistler on Jul 20, 2009 9:26:12 GMT
First I have to prove anything exists outside my imagination. mmmm.... if I can't then maybe I am God. Quest - Can you do the same
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Post by QUEST on Jul 20, 2009 14:33:32 GMT
Uh, give me a minute to think on that one Whistler. That one was kinda deep.
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