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Post by 1wizardstone on Nov 17, 2009 9:26:31 GMT
Hmmm... thats a toughy. I can only give a perspective?
Look at that little word being pushed around and used to get everyone together in discussion. Look at the little word roaming around everywhere called, God. Noone can put a finger on it, but that doesn't stop us from acquiring purpose and meaning. "In the beginning there was the word. Wouldn't the word itself be evident?" Thank You. ."
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Nov 17, 2009 16:32:13 GMT
Hmmm...I cant see that this will cause any discord at all. none. not even a little.
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Post by hopefully on Dec 9, 2009 3:59:32 GMT
Well this may come off as a little suggestive but there is a definite way to prove his existence actually i can think of two ways..... 1. When is the only time god confirms that he shall reveal himself? When all the prophecy of revelation has come to pass. Well all you have to do is fulfill all the end times prophecy of revelation. Antichrist, one world religion etc and viola god should appear in his majesty to smite all evil and thus proving his existence. 2.Kill yourself!
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Dec 13, 2009 19:18:44 GMT
Being someone with a rather unconventional view of the GAOTU, Ill say that I believe it/he/she exists. But as for having been raised in a Evangelical Christian School and home, I have to vote nay, at least not int he Judeo Christian sense. TH GAOTU as I understand and embrace it is simply too big to be confined in that way.
There simply is no way to prove the existance of G-d (unless your Dan Brown). Thats why we have that little thing called faith.
I was recently watching a re-run of one of my favoriute
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Post by parisfred on Dec 15, 2009 11:18:30 GMT
the problem : the word god have multiple meanings and multiple level of understanding.
a creator ? a judge ? a guide ? a plan maker ? a being ? a force ?
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Post by mgc on Dec 16, 2009 12:46:38 GMT
why is that a problem?
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Post by assassin on Dec 16, 2009 15:27:39 GMT
I believe Brother Parisfred is saying that it is a problem for the same reason I shy away from discussions such as these. When one says "god" what do they mean. A mutually agreed operational definition would go further than an assumption that what a proposer means is the same as the respondants mean. Personally I view IT as a force, I am not sure if IT is sentient and if IT is sentient does IT really care? To compare that to a person who believes that "God" is an active participant in daily life that simply cannot be understood and a communication problem happens. In other words, we would not even be speaking the same language.
Of course Brother Parisfred may mean something else entirely.
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Post by KNOs1s on Jan 19, 2010 5:42:24 GMT
The questioner should offer what he means by God before we can argue one way or another. Let me offer my own definition, and I can prove or disprove based on the definition offered. For example, if I said, "My water glass is God," perhaps I could make a compelling argument for the existence of my water glass, and thus I've proven that God exists if the definition is left to me and the claim is that God is my water glass. The water glass gives me life through the liquid it contains, and it could be said that God is the giver of life. Since the term 'God' is ill-defined, the individual replying is free to assert the properties-no matter how ludicrous. If I said, "My water glass is part of God," the argument is changed, yet still focused on the water glass. So, what is meant by the term? This must be decided before serious discussion even begins.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 14:27:25 GMT
This question alone is probably the biggest reason i started my theory, I was well introduced into religion during my childhood and every single one of them had their own way of seeing what we know and think. for the answer your seeking is a force larger then yourself or even us combined that governs and controls our thoughts and movements, as well as what were given to see to find our path. if you simplify this sounds alot like gravity to me. holding us together not letting us go too far down or too far out, pushing us to find our stability. On the personal side I do feel this force goes further then just physical influence. hope this helps
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 14:39:08 GMT
i really like what you said knos because it's very much so like that and i think in the beggining of this thought they were struggling with that exact same thing. everyone wants to connect in our own way, wich requires differences and those were very bad back then. but mostly they were trying to give an easy example of something they fealt and know concluding on the name God. wich makess me wonder... could God be the earliest example of physics explaining why things go up and down? Even if this is so, this force is real and we are at it's mercy.
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 11, 2010 17:34:48 GMT
The time when you just know God exists is when you are told you have a couple of months to live.
You will then say, "God, please help me". Trust me it happens every time.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 18:09:01 GMT
it is hard to face our choices at times, especialy when we feal we might have to answer for them. but if you go by the perspective we live eternaly and are simply shedding our old form when we die. we will have life eternaly and just as many chances to redeem our thoughts. don't hate who you are because of what you've done hate who you were and challenge the thoughts.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 18:18:21 GMT
BTW i was not implying you hated yourself im just saying dont fight who you are as much as accept what step your at in your time on earth.
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 11, 2010 20:26:44 GMT
you are presuming your consciousness goes with you. If that were so. you would remember what happened last time.
Life is what life is.
I have found, my experience is that the young think they will last forever, I did.
Then you find you are past 45 and the end of the race looks a lot closer than it did when you were 25. God starts to become a lot more important.
Can you prove it ? no. But if you feel it, then you need nothing else.
If it helps to explain, here are some quotes I feel are good for me.
Death has no stain equal to falsehood and dishonour.
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Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil, for he is with me.
Easy to say, not so easy to follow.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 20:33:24 GMT
im implying there was no before except a blank slate and we all make our own reality to go to after we die.
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Post by Augur on Mar 11, 2010 20:40:59 GMT
Death has no stain equal to falsehood and dishonour. Virtus iunxit, mors non separabit.One of my favourites.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 20:44:55 GMT
It would be like if someone wanted to be who they were in mind but thought they would be happiest as a cow would then see that reality as their current truth. not very pretty but the will was satisfied. as far as general census this reality would be seperate from the possible outcomes being humanly impossible to achieve presently.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 20:48:14 GMT
i really like that augur ive never heard that phrase before.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 21:05:22 GMT
you would have less to think about.... hehe
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 21:07:58 GMT
damn it bill i keep finding myself zoning out on your little walking dude. hehe
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