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Post by humbleseeker1 on Aug 1, 2009 22:47:52 GMT
I dont know about sacrifice and masonry but my faith requires a blood sacrifice. The Blood of Jesus Christ.
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Post by edward on Aug 1, 2009 23:22:00 GMT
just showing that ritual sacrafice was an important part of relgious life to several cultures.
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Post by paulh on Aug 2, 2009 3:48:09 GMT
Abraham was prepared to sacrifice his son but was allowed to substitute a sheep.
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 2, 2009 4:27:44 GMT
Just as there are various different types of Freemasonry, eg, LDH, GOdF, etc in the Francophone mode, and UGLE and its associated Malecraft GLs of the Anglo-Saxon type, and of course the female only Masonic Bodies, there are differing types of Christianity. Some are very Bible based such as Baptists, Presbyterians, Elim Church, etc and prefer a simple Liturgy, whilst others such as High Anglicans, Anglo Catholics, Liberal Catholics, Orthodox and of course Roman Catholics are Sacerdotal, Symbolic and Ritualistic in their worship. (You can guess which side I am on) Neither is right or wrong, but different.
All however would agree that Jesus Christ died for all mankind, past, present and to come . Where the difficulties can arise is that many, and I am in that group, consider that Christ died once and once only, whereas the Roman Catholics believe that in a symbolical manner Christ dies and rises again in what they call "The sacrifice of the Mass", a concept I find somewhat offensive. I prefer to look at Mass as a celebration and commemoration of Christ's once and eternal sacrifice, which is not and need not be repeated.
I post this in response to the Humbleseeker's remarks about The Blood of Christ, which in my belief was given once for our salvation.
I would also add on the more specifically Masonic aspect of this thread that I love Freemasonry and feel that becoming a member thereof nearly 21 years ago now was one of the finest things I have ever done. However, had I encountered animal sacrifice in any Lodge, Chapter, Conclave, College, Preceptory, etc, I would have walked out of the door never to return. As I have said I have never heard of it in the many Degrees and Orders I have experienced. There may of course be Masonic Bodies somewhere in the world which do practice Animal Sacrifice in some of their Rituals but I am unaware of them and will be happy to remain in blissful ignorance thereof.
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Post by magusmasonica on Aug 2, 2009 5:58:01 GMT
Abraham was prepared to sacrifice his son but was allowed to substitute a sheep. IMHO that is one of the worst stories ever. If God is like as depicted there I want nothing to do with him.
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 2, 2009 6:51:36 GMT
Bro Brad, I do not have much time either for the "Mighty and Jealous God" of the Old Testament who seemed to owe a lot to the Graeco-Roman Zeus/ Jupiter. My God is more typified by Jesus Christ, a Deity of Mercy and Compassion.
One thing however does have to be said in Jehovah's favour. He did send an angel to Abraham to substitute a ram caught in a thicket for Isaac. If he was totally sadistic and bloodthirsty he would have let Isaac be slaughtered and no doubt burnt.
I have to say I find the whole idea of animal sacrifice abhorrent. Don't get me wrong. I am not a Veggie and do eat meat but that is for a purpose and animals are bred for that reason. I can see no point in killing and then burning to ashes and thus wasting an animal to propitiate a Deity. In my beliefs Jesus Christ abolished all that sort of thing. Indeed I often wonder if his famous act of casting the buyers and sellers out of the Temple was as much to do with a distaste for animal sacrifice as for a Holy Place being used for commerce?
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Post by maximus on Aug 2, 2009 12:25:15 GMT
The OTO had every right to sue this woman for her libelous remarks. She obviously did not understand a word of what she read in Liber AL. I also do not see what this has to do with animal sacrifice, nor understand your seeming obsession with it. Do you sacrifice squirrels in your basement or something?
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Post by humbleseeker1 on Aug 2, 2009 14:07:15 GMT
Abraham was being tested by God. His faith in God to sacrifice his only son after going through such a long wait to concieve with a woman who was without child for most of her life. His Faith was in God was confirmed as rightouesness unto him. Just as today are faith in Christ is are rightouseness. I would like to say to lauderdale not to disregard the old teastament because you may be offended by God's actions. God is a mighty and jealous God he his Mighty to serve his people and jealous for the souls of his chirldren.
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Post by maximus on Aug 2, 2009 15:01:47 GMT
So he killed Lot's entire family because he and Satan had a little bet going. Oh yeah, nice deity. I'll stick with Freyja, thank you.
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Post by terrible on Aug 3, 2009 19:09:04 GMT
The OTO had every right to sue this woman for her libelous remarks. She obviously did not understand a word of what she read in Liber AL. I also do not see what this has to do with animal sacrifice, nor understand your seeming obsession with it. Do you sacrifice squirrels in your basement or something? Typically I prefer using Yankee crawdads (and the occasional squirrel tail); they work quite nicely as bait for something else, just like these strange posts seem to be doing. You never know what you're going to catch, though.
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Post by terrible on Aug 4, 2009 12:25:44 GMT
...a 33rd who initiated me into the blue lodge told me that he had just been initiated into a group (no name given) that required that you were a 33rd for at least 3 years, he said that it was secret and could not talk about it much, then i brought it up later and he told everyone present at my initiation little more about it, some of the famous people present, an ex president (carter) and some famous comedian, he was not actually WM at the time, he just kind of gave me a sort of pep talk when i was putting on the costume. several other masons both at my lodge and meeting from friends and family have told me after getting the 33rd other secret groups exist that you could join to further the ritual work. another thing is that at my lodge, which is a very big one (both the size of the physical building and the amount of members and ritual work) their is white and black as well as red robes in the costume room, so to say that black or white robes is not masonic is not entirely true, i have not used them in the blue lodge, but someone in the building is using them in a ritual. I'm not a 33rd degree mason, just a 32nd, and as such I don't qualify to know all of the true secrets. But I know enough to tell you a few hints. Although there has always been an "inner" and "outer" order of Free-masonry, there are also two main divisions of Masons, called the "Antients" and the "Moderns" that have been locked in a struggle for the control of true Freemasonry since time immemorial. One group has been controlled by the real Illuminati, whereas the other group of Steampunk Freemasons continue the traditions, inventions, and teachings of their founder, Francis Bacon as passed down through the Royal Society. Although this group you've just described has been in control for some time, their time is almost at an end. They are now preparing DVDs of Scottish Rite ritual by which they hope to indoctrinate and control the masses. However, they have already polluted the true Rite with their false teachings. However, the other group is using the sublime technology of Steampunk Freemasonry to spread the true philosophy of Brotherhood. I know of someone in the American Northwest, called the Master of Snipe; he is part of the new Steampunk Freemasonry movement, and a few years ago invented a machine, funded by Adepts and Secret Chiefs of the Inner Order, that can elevate a profane into a Shriner and beyond in a single day with just a few twists of some knobs and dials. The secret code given in the 28th degree of Albert Pike's "Morals and Dogma" is the basis for an elaborate computer program that is used in this machine. It has nothing to do with the OTO, a pale imitation to throw off false seekers and implemented by the British Intelligence unit MI6. The Candidate is placed in a dark box called a "Chamber of Reflection" where sulphur and the blood of a rooster named Abraxas is sprinkled on the skull of Baphomet. Smoke issues forth, and the Candidate is transmuted into a Master Mason after he kisses the skull. More than this I cannot say, but there are higher degrees even than that of a 33rd, degrees where one can become a one-eyed all-seeing Potentate of the shape-shifting Reptilian race.
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Post by leonardo on Aug 4, 2009 13:16:35 GMT
...a 33rd who initiated me into the blue lodge told me that he had just been initiated into a group (no name given) that required that you were a 33rd for at least 3 years, he said that it was secret and could not talk about it much, then i brought it up later and he told everyone present at my initiation little more about it, some of the famous people present, an ex president (carter) and some famous comedian, he was not actually WM at the time, he just kind of gave me a sort of pep talk when i was putting on the costume. several other masons both at my lodge and meeting from friends and family have told me after getting the 33rd other secret groups exist that you could join to further the ritual work. another thing is that at my lodge, which is a very big one (both the size of the physical building and the amount of members and ritual work) their is white and black as well as red robes in the costume room, so to say that black or white robes is not masonic is not entirely true, i have not used them in the blue lodge, but someone in the building is using them in a ritual. I'm not a 33rd degree mason, just a 32nd, and as such I don't qualify to know all of the true secrets. But I know enough to tell you a few hints. Although there has always been an "inner" and "outer" order of Free-masonry, there are also two main divisions of Masons, called the "Antients" and the "Moderns" that have been locked in a struggle for the control of true Freemasonry since time immemorial. One group has been controlled by the real Illuminati, whereas the other group of Steampunk Freemasons continue the traditions, inventions, and teachings of their founder, Francis Bacon as passed down through the Royal Society. Although this group you've just described has been in control for some time, their time is almost at an end. They are now preparing DVDs of Scottish Rite ritual by which they hope to indoctrinate and control the masses. However, they have already polluted the true Rite with their false teachings. However, the other group is using the sublime technology of Steampunk Freemasonry to spread the true philosophy of Brotherhood. I know of someone in the American Northwest, called the Master of Snipe; he is part of the new Steampunk Freemasonry movement, and a few years ago invented a machine, funded by Adepts and Secret Chiefs of the Inner Order, that can elevate a profane into a Shriner and beyond in a single day with just a few twists of some knobs and dials. The secret code given in the 28th degree of Albert Pike's "Morals and Dogma" is the basis for an elaborate computer program that is used in this machine. It has nothing to do with the OTO, a pale imitation to throw off false seekers and implemented by the British Intelligence unit MI6. The Candidate is placed in a dark box called a "Chamber of Reflection" where sulphur and the blood of a rooster named Abraxas is sprinkled on the skull of Baphomet. Smoke issues forth, and the Candidate is transmuted into a Master Mason after he kisses the skull. More than this I cannot say, but there are higher degrees even than that of a 33rd, degrees where one can become a one-eyed all-seeing Potentate of the shape-shifting Reptilian race. The above comments are far removed from any form of Masonry I am familiar with. In fact, I will go further and state it isn't Masonry but another example of the many outrageous claims by those who purport to be Masons but have more in common with the nonsense found on the likes of David Icke's forum. In any case, I am stopping this nonsense from continuing. There is no problem with those with anti Masonic views expressing them in a meaning and intelligent manner, but I feel this topic is being used for another purpose so is now closed.
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