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Post by Blackadder on Oct 2, 2009 17:29:53 GMT
We are looking into esoteric masonry and trying to get away from the old mans coffee club and the Eastern Star BS .
Could any of you learned Brothers recommend any website or books for teaching/learning the esoteric side of Masonry.
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 2, 2009 20:03:47 GMT
My lodge has a Google Group called The Outer Court on our lodge website. There are tons of e-books on the site that deal with Esoteric Freemasonry. Find it on our lodge website at: www.lodgenapoleon.comThere are links there as well under resources. Love and Light,
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Post by terrible on Oct 2, 2009 21:45:09 GMT
Yeah, I looked at Brad's outer court website, and learned where he and Raum Sariel post under different screenames, and about he goes under the names of MaxRoachTheDrumBadSister and BeagleDogJoyrock on various other forums up in Niagara Falls. I was hoping Brother Black Flametorch would come back.
Now that Brad has finally answered all of our questions, I'm outta here. Thanks. I appreciate his efforts and patience, and that of all the other members here at MFOL. I like that he can dish out it as well as he can take it.
Mostly, I'm sick of the moderators incessantly locking threads, just about when we're at the point where Brad is finally willingg to spill the beans on Lodge Napoleon, which is the main reason for my exit. Patrick and Chris, thanks for your tolerance, love, and patience, Brothers. Thanks also for working with me a little.
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 2, 2009 21:55:07 GMT
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Post by Augur on Oct 2, 2009 22:11:49 GMT
FYI: I only have ONE account on the Outer Court. Raum Sariel. Sorry that Profane's don't get what a magickal name is. But that isn't really my problem. Chances are he's got a perfectly good idea of what a magickal name is and how and when it should be used. For example, in a sacred or magickal setting rather than on an open board when you're just yakking about the weather or other mundane banalities. Just a thought.
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 2, 2009 22:15:04 GMT
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Chances are he's got a perfectly good idea of what a magickal name is and how and when it should be used. For example, in a sacred or magickal setting rather than on an open board when you're just yakking about the weather or other mundane banalities.
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That and $3.00 will buy you a cup of coffee. ;D ;D ;D
The sun is shining, the air is crisp, what a beautiful day.
Love and Light,
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Post by Augur on Oct 3, 2009 0:57:18 GMT
Three bucks for a cup of coffee?! I sure hope there's something else in there besides coffee....
And you can stick your fingers in your ears all you want, but the truth is pretty plain that once again you're accusing someone else of being ignorant on a topic you're quite obviously totally ignorant about yourself.
First off, a magickal name shouldn't be used outside a magickal or sacred setting. To do so is to demean and dirty it. You know, profane it? It's like using your athame to cut your sandwich meat. Big no-no. You consecrate something to a particular purpose then you use it for that purpose and that purpose only. Whether it's for particular kinds of work, or to be identified by certain communities or entities - you use that name for that 'circle' only. This is only the first problem...
The second problem is that depending on how you've been given, or taken, the name it can be similar to a True Name. In Kemet, or Egypt, mothers would give their children a secret name. Then they'd get another name for use with friends and associates. This made it difficult for others to work destructive or harmful magick on them. To get around it you'd have to divine their name, or get a piece of clothing or hair or some such so you had a proper bead on your target.
So, if 'Raum Sariel' is really a magickal name you've taken you've pretty much painted a really big bullseye on yourself if anyone wanted to mess with you. You've also weakened it by putting it out in a completely profane setting like 'Google Groups'. Any advantage it once had over using 'Brad Cofield' has been pretty much lost and it's no more powerful than an alias in use. But now it's a huge liability if someone wanted to leverage it against you.
Smile and have a nice day all you want, but this is pretty basic stuff here. Magick 101. Of course you can, and will, go and do whatever you want. It bothers me not at all. Your life, your craft, your consequences. Just don't kid yourself about what it is you're doing.
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 3, 2009 1:06:08 GMT
I also won't kid myself as to what the going rate is for advice from anonymous trolls. But hey, thanks anyway. ;D
Now back to the topic at hand, no need for Blackadders to be hijacked. Have something to contribute?
Love and Light,
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 3, 2009 2:01:12 GMT
Anyone who is a student of Misraim would understand the application of the new name reflected in the chequered pavement. It's essential to the Rite.
But hey, even anonymous know-it-all's don't know what they don't know ;D
Can we please get back on topic? I hate it when my threads get hijacked and I am sure Bro. Blackadder doesn't appreciate it either.
Love and Light,
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Post by Augur on Oct 3, 2009 2:08:04 GMT
Can we please get back on topic? I hate it when my threads get hijacked and I am sure Bro. Blackadder doesn't appreciate it either. I'm discussing the esoteric side of Masonry, as well as sympathetic magick and Kemetian magick in general, am I not? Certainly has a lot more to do with the topic than your last few posts have, Brad. If Blackadder or a mod seems to think I'm way off base and wishes me to merely post links to elsewhere, I can do that too instead of sharing my understanding of things. Until then I'll contribute as I see fit.
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 3, 2009 6:13:36 GMT
Can we please get back on topic? I hate it when my threads get hijacked and I am sure Bro. Blackadder doesn't appreciate it either. I'm discussing the esoteric side of Masonry, as well as sympathetic magick and Kemetian magick in general, am I not? Certainly has a lot more to do with the topic than your last few posts have, Brad. If Blackadder or a mod seems to think I'm way off base and wishes me to merely post links to elsewhere, I can do that too instead of sharing my understanding of things. Until then I'll contribute as I see fit. I must have missed your book and website recommendations. That is the topic of the thread. Would you mind reposting them? Love and Light,
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Post by generatics on Oct 3, 2009 7:29:31 GMT
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Post by Augur on Oct 3, 2009 11:44:27 GMT
I must have missed your book and website recommendations. That is the topic of the thread. Would you mind reposting them? Gosh, Brad. I didn't realize you're a mod. Oh wait, you're not. So here's another post of yours that isn't on topic or contributing in any meaningful way to the thread. How unlike you! And no need to get all upset over it. Geeze. I suppose you should link to some hermetic stuff...but wait...that isn't necessarily esoteric Freemasonry either, is it? Neither is the Rosicrucian stuff. So I guess to keep this on topic, in the narrow way you seem to choose to take it, is to actually post a link to a collection of texts or a website dealing with Esoteric Freemasonry in a very literal and direct way. Here ya go, the online library on the GL of Colorado website: www.coloradofreemasons.org/aboutus/books.html
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 3, 2009 16:55:27 GMT
I must have missed your book and website recommendations. That is the topic of the thread. Would you mind reposting them? Gosh, Brad. I didn't realize you're a mod. Oh wait, you're not. So here's another post of yours that isn't on topic or contributing in any meaningful way to the thread. How unlike you! And no need to get all upset over it. Geeze. I suppose you should link to some hermetic stuff...but wait...that isn't necessarily esoteric Freemasonry either, is it? Neither is the Rosicrucian stuff. So I guess to keep this on topic, in the narrow way you seem to choose to take it, is to actually post a link to a collection of texts or a website dealing with Esoteric Freemasonry in a very literal and direct way. Here ya go, the online library on the GL of Colorado website: www.coloradofreemasons.org/aboutus/books.htmlSince you love to call me by my name and not my forum handle why don't you allow me the respect of calling you by yours? That aside should someone actually investigate my links they will find they are full of information on Esoteric Freemasonry. Love and Light,
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Post by corab on Oct 5, 2009 22:19:38 GMT
Bro:. Brad,
If you are at liberty to disclose -- how is the concept of a "magickal name" defined in your Rite?
I know it as Augur has explained and would never reveal mine except in the appropriate circumstances, but I do know other traditions take a different view because they give the term "magickal name" a different meaning.
S&F,
Cora
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Post by tehuti on Oct 13, 2009 16:41:38 GMT
We are looking into esoteric masonry and trying to get away from the old mans coffee club and the Eastern Star BS . Could any of you learned Brothers recommend any website or books for teaching/learning the esoteric side of Masonry. Try here. I posted a hundred books on Freemasonry. The majority are scanned from originals. The esoteric side of Freemasonry is well covered in these old books.
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Post by maat on Oct 14, 2009 23:34:33 GMT
Hi Blackadder.... I was wondering why you have not realized up till now just how rich this forum is for what you are seeking. Tehuti and Synchronicity have posted links enough to keep everyone going for a life time. You might like to visit the Esoteric threads as well.... there are specific links posted in abundance. Just look for needles in the haystack... there are a truck load of them in there.
On esoteric subjects you will find that it is very much a case of "seek and you will find". Best to start with a simple question about one of the things you might see in your lodge room or a ceremony. Ask the question of yourself and then go seek, here - there - everywhere. Listen to your inner voice (intuition) before you accept or reject anything. If that means accepting something you don't understand fully, so be it, just tuck it away and move on. It is a wondrous adventure.. which will last your whole life through.
Maat
PS ... and don't forget to share what you find with the Brn who will listen... reminds me of some words from that wonderful Christmas carol ...
Said the night wind to the little lamb, "Do you see what I see? Way up in the sky, little lamb, Do you see what I see?
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Post by mgc on Oct 15, 2009 17:07:00 GMT
also keep in mind that the universe often hands u the answer in ways that seem unrelated to the question..
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Post by maat on Oct 15, 2009 23:19:41 GMT
EXACTLY!
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Post by ruffashlar on Oct 16, 2009 15:50:27 GMT
First off, a magickal name shouldn't be used outside a magickal or sacred setting. To do so is to demean and dirty it. You know, profane it? It's like using your athame to cut your sandwich meat.
Depends on your tradition, surely? Francis of Assisi was of the opinion that all things in the created universe were equally sacred, and speaks about Brother Bread, Brother Dirt and even Brother Sh!t.
Or, as one of the Buddhist missionaries was heard to say in definition of Buddhism, that it was "great emptiness, with nothing sacred in it".
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