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Post by zaptear on Nov 28, 2009 17:05:58 GMT
soon i will be going throw the york rite and would like to know what i will need outfit wise. im just puting some prices together. Knights Templar MANTLE and TUNIC looking at swords. thay really are not all that much. what do most knights templars whare
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Post by happyzealot on Nov 29, 2009 3:00:57 GMT
Hook up with your local Commandery after you get knighted, Bro. They might have spare regalia for you if you decide to get active. Otherwise they can probably direct you to the right seller.
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 10, 2009 22:51:56 GMT
what about the Cap'n Crunch hat? ;D
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Post by happyzealot on Dec 13, 2009 9:23:30 GMT
I have one. What of it?
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 13, 2009 10:02:36 GMT
This raising an interesting point. Over here in the UK and I assume other European Jurisdictions, the KTs, of which I am one, wear a tunic, cloak and cap, as well as the belt, sword sash etc in style similar to that of medieval times. I understand that in the USA the regalia is more like that of a Victorian Naval Officer in full dress uniform with cocked hat, tail coat, trousers (pants) with a stripe down the legs etc. Can any US KT confirm this
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 13, 2009 17:52:53 GMT
This raising an interesting point. Over here in the UK and I assume other European Jurisdictions, the KTs, of which I am one, wear a tunic, cloak and cap, as well as the belt, sword sash etc in style similar to that of medieval times. I understand that in the USA the regalia is more like that of a Victorian Naval Officer in full dress uniform with cocked hat, tail coat, trousers (pants) with a stripe down the legs etc. Can any US KT confirm this The use of Maritime uniforms dates back to war of 1812 Naval surplus. I always thought it looked silly and out of place but that is JMHO. Love and Light,
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Dec 13, 2009 19:27:53 GMT
This raising an interesting point. Over here in the UK and I assume other European Jurisdictions, the KTs, of which I am one, wear a tunic, cloak and cap, as well as the belt, sword sash etc in style similar to that of medieval times. I understand that in the USA the regalia is more like that of a Victorian Naval Officer in full dress uniform with cocked hat, tail coat, trousers (pants) with a stripe down the legs etc. Can any US KT confirm this The use of Maritime uniforms dates back to war of 1812 Naval surplus. I always thought it looked silly and out of place but that is JMHO. Love and Light, Except for the fact that, with the exception of the white plumed chapeau, there is nothing on the uniform worn by the KT which has any resemblance to the navy of 1812. As to the original question, yes, the modern portion of the uniform does look like a US dress Naval uniform, worn under a tunic and cape with the so-called Templar Cross in red in the cap and I believe also on the tunic. The capes are also either white or black depending on the Sir Knights position in the Commandery.
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 13, 2009 21:32:14 GMT
The use of Maritime uniforms dates back to war of 1812 Naval surplus. I always thought it looked silly and out of place but that is JMHO. Love and Light, Except for the fact that, with the exception of the white plumed chapeau, there is nothing on the uniform worn by the KT which has any resemblance to the navy of 1812. As to the original question, yes, the modern portion of the uniform does look like a US dress Naval uniform, worn under a tunic and cape with the so-called Templar Cross in red in the cap and I believe also on the tunic. The capes are also either white or black depending on the Sir Knights position in the Commandery. I was speaking of where the tradition came from. I did not mean to imply that all KT in the USA wear 200 year old uniforms
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Post by enki on Dec 14, 2009 5:10:17 GMT
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Post by methuselah on Dec 17, 2009 1:08:58 GMT
The US KT uniform is based on the naval officer's dress uniform of the mid- 19th century, and has nothing to do with or in common with 1812 naval surplus uniforms, although I suppose that's sophomorically amusing and credible to those who would deride them.
Demitted U.S. KT, BTW.
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 17, 2009 10:02:16 GMT
Thanks for the info. No disrespect meant but I do prefer the European Regalia which to my mind is closer to what the actual KTs would have worn in Medieval times. I cannot see how a Naval Officer's Uniform of the mid 1800s fits with the likes of Hugh de Payens or Jacques de Molay to be honest although of course I respect US KTs. I wonder how this type of clothing became associated with the American KTs rather than the Knights in Armour style as shown on the film Ivanhoe for example?
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Mar 30, 2010 7:26:47 GMT
I think a great deal of it has to do with the fact that the KT so often serve as honor guards for various Masonic events including Grand Lodge, visiting dignitaries, conclaves, etc. What I believe they were going for was a military look without dressing in a complete medieval costume. While I am not a Templar, I have been told by those that are that the uniform worn inthe US is intended to be clean looking and respectful to a "military" tradition.
As a side note, the Knights of Columbus where a virtually identical uniform, which was copied from the US KT uniform.
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Post by KNOs1s on Mar 30, 2010 10:12:45 GMT
I do not believe a suit and tie is what our ancient Brethren wore while working with stone, either. The armor looks nice, but not necessary to being a knight. Recall, that a man was a knight on the battlefield as well as off, and did not walk around in armor all the time.
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Mar 31, 2010 12:59:39 GMT
This raising an interesting point. Over here in the UK and I assume other European Jurisdictions, the KTs, of which I am one, wear a tunic, cloak and cap, as well as the belt, sword sash etc in style similar to that of medieval times. I understand that in the USA the regalia is more like that of a Victorian Naval Officer in full dress uniform with cocked hat, tail coat, trousers (pants) with a stripe down the legs etc. Can any US KT confirm this Actually, the American KT regalia I have seen from my Lodge and others does not make use of a tail coat, but rather a version of a later 19th century double-breasted naval uniform coat. Given some of the recent research on the Kensington runes found in Minnesota in the US and Kensington in England, it seems likely that a connection between the Templars and sea-faring is not altogether out of bounds. Wherever they may have gone, there are numerous accounts of them being accomplished sailors in addition to what are usually noted to be their other various and sundry skills and abilities.
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Post by sammy on Dec 14, 2010 16:54:13 GMT
Im no historian, but what I do know of the areas in question they were at war for quite a while. The civil war brought many international differences since they were trying not to associate with each other. It seems to me the American side merged more with the native practices depending on the region, and the british side stayed to its traditions. Even if this was the case I would say I would still preffer the traditional European attire, I look goofy enough I dont need a big frilly hat.
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Post by sammy on Dec 14, 2010 17:02:15 GMT
This raising an interesting point. Over here in the UK and I assume other European Jurisdictions, the KTs, of which I am one, wear a tunic, cloak and cap, as well as the belt, sword sash etc in style similar to that of medieval times. I understand that in the USA the regalia is more like that of a Victorian Naval Officer in full dress uniform with cocked hat, tail coat, trousers (pants) with a stripe down the legs etc. Can any US KT confirm this Actually, the American KT regalia I have seen from my Lodge and others does not make use of a tail coat, but rather a version of a later 19th century double-breasted naval uniform coat. Given some of the recent research on the Kensington runes found in Minnesota in the US and Kensington in England, it seems likely that a connection between the Templars and sea-faring is not altogether out of bounds. Wherever they may have gone, there are numerous accounts of them being accomplished sailors in addition to what are usually noted to be their other various and sundry skills and abilities. It makes sense they would be tied with sailing, that is if you want to get anything done internationaly. Besides boats need building too, im sure a few masons have took on the task throughout the years. So they started on foot, moved to horses, then to boats, when do the pilot KT uniforms come out? Pre-order FTW.
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Post by sasika02 on Feb 3, 2012 10:25:23 GMT
Knights Templar efficient organization continued until the day of their destruction was ordered. In many cases, historians are justified in claiming that in reality he is no longer part of the Order. This is because the claims Knights Templar and a host of modern times many of these but not all are totally disgusting. Templars were so mysterious organization has so many unanswered questions that can be used to meet the gap that has some sort of a mystery attached to it. Knights Templars
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Post by thisisnecessary on Mar 11, 2012 7:23:09 GMT
Personally, I do not care for the chapeau at all either. I find the entire uniform fairly pretentious and makes US Templar uniforms look terrible. However, our version of the Malta uniform(Cap and Mantle) looks much better in my opinion. The only problem is, they are hardly worn outside of the Order of Malta conferral(which along with the Order Of Red Cross are rarely given in full form), and the majority of US KTs here favor the overly militaristic presentation. I find it distracting in many ways. Many who are part of the York(American) Rite here often belittle the Chapter and often ignore the Council altogether, just because they want to march and play soldier. While I enjoy the rituals as a whole, it comes off a bit dry outside of conferral and looks just plain silly sometimes.
I am told by several learned Companions of mine that there is only 1 Commandery in the state of Illinois that confers the Order of the Temple on horseback, as it was originally intended to be done. Can any other Sir Knights here confirm this? And if so, what changes do you recognize in uniform from other jurisdictions?
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