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Post by hopefully on Dec 15, 2009 9:38:04 GMT
Do you believe development of the mind is a right or privilege?
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Post by assassin on Dec 15, 2009 12:40:05 GMT
It is a natural condition or process which others cannot take away.
Hassan ibn Sabbah
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Post by hopefully on Dec 16, 2009 0:16:01 GMT
Then why do we keep secrets, if it is a right then everyone has the right to learn of our secrets.
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Post by AndyF on Dec 16, 2009 8:05:09 GMT
Everyone has the right to develop their mind. Saying everyone has the right to learn our secrets is like saying everyone has the right to know your bank pin number.
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Post by Nosameerf on Dec 16, 2009 8:39:33 GMT
Then why do we keep secrets, if it is a right then everyone has the right to learn of our secrets. Perhaps they have a right from the burden that some secrets could impart? Perhaps some people wouldn't understand the information or even bother to understand it if it was simply given to them?
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 16, 2009 14:47:03 GMT
Everyone has the right to develop their mind. Saying everyone has the right to learn our secrets is like saying everyone has the right to know your bank pin number. Very apt with respect to our modes of recognition. As for any 'ineffable secret': Be convinced that, if man were able to reach the end without preparatory studies, such studies would not be preparatory but tiresome and utterly superfluous
Consequently he who wishes to attain to human perfection, must therefore first study Logic, next the various branches of Mathematics in their proper order, then Physics, and lastly Metaphysics
He, however, who begins with Metaphysics, will not only become confused in matters of religion, but will fall into complete infidelity
Maimonides
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Post by assassin on Dec 16, 2009 15:22:06 GMT
One has a right to their own mind, they do not have a right to another's mind nor the contents thereof. I would not say that it is a right in the same manner that a right to freedom of speech exists. It is not a right at all because it is a natural condition or process. The matters that you seem to alluding to take time and work. The right to that grows from the efforts of the individual mind within the paradigm in which he or she is working.
Hassan ibn Sabbah
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Post by theplumbtruth on Dec 16, 2009 15:48:42 GMT
Then why do we keep secrets, if it is a right then everyone has the right to learn of our secrets. If what you are allluding to is the aiblity to 'read' another persons mind then it is not a question of right. It becomes a matter of a moral or ethical conscious decision.
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Post by hopefully on Dec 17, 2009 1:17:42 GMT
First off i've learned that when reading minds you often hear allota stuff you really dont wanna hear and sometimes understand why its not as nature intended im sure some can agree you may often cut telep off, Because you hear people close to you or otherwise thinking of you in ways unexpected and unprojected.
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Post by hopefully on Dec 17, 2009 1:20:58 GMT
on the same note do you think its fair to determine another persons life even though its for the best. say a loved one you want to grow up studying his lesson, and staying out of trouble and the wrong crowd. Or allowing that person to potentially ruin there lives. Its a parents dilemma almost.
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Post by happyzealot on Dec 17, 2009 3:23:41 GMT
Then why do we keep secrets, if it is a right then everyone has the right to learn of our secrets. By that logic everyone has a right to know your bank balance, your medical history, and your significant other's favourite sexual position. Just doesn't seem right, does it?
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Post by happyzealot on Dec 17, 2009 3:48:46 GMT
Neither fair nor right, and 'for the best' is subjective at best. The parental comparison is apt; but the ultimate choice comes from the indivicual, not the parent. Hopefully a parent can understand this and not try to mould a child like play dough. We can all potentially ruin ourselves, or build ourselves up; it is our right of self-determination, and is not in the hands of a parental figure or a parental government.
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 17, 2009 4:25:42 GMT
There are no rites only privileges.
To develop one's mind is a personal responsibility.
Love and Light,
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Post by hopefully on Dec 17, 2009 5:16:17 GMT
Thx, I really appreciate the feedback you guys give me. Certain decisions need a second and third opinion.
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Post by shemihaza on Dec 17, 2009 15:03:58 GMT
I submit that the concept of "Mind" is greatly misunderstood. The organ called the "brain", as I mentioned in the thread about plants, animals and rocks, is a receiver for energy frequencies that are transmitted in a different dimension of reality.
Look at it this way: quantum mechanics has theorized the existence of 10 dimensions; some of us understand these relationships when we talk about the 10 Sephiroth of the Kabbalah.
This is an advanced type of frequency that we "tap into" when we listen to certain types of music, look at certain types of structures, all of which are governed by what we call "sacred geometry", which are laws that operate outside our "normal" 3-dimensional experiences. An example of this is to be found in the consideration of "Golden Section" or Fibonacci sequences of temples/cathedrals, art, or sacred music of certain composers.
In a sense, we are all "one note"--i.e., thought/light/frequency. We exist at the level of 4,598 octaves below the "One", so far below, in fact, that most of us are unaware of its true existence and/or nature.
The "Illuminati" as you call them are simply a body of "enlightened" individuals that can hear the Light, so to speak, and seek to prevent the world from devolving into chaotic structures that tend to confuse the sensitive receptors of the brain.
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Post by shemihaza on Dec 17, 2009 15:04:50 GMT
At any rate, the so-called "development" of the "Mind" is non-existent, at least on this level of reality. It simply "is".
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Post by assassin on Dec 17, 2009 15:16:32 GMT
Uni-verse = One Song/Poem
Go, thou art enlightened
Hassan ibn Sabbah
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 22, 2009 0:30:20 GMT
Everyone has the right to develop their mind. Saying everyone has the right to learn our secrets is like saying everyone has the right to know your bank pin number. Very apt with respect to our modes of recognition. As for any 'ineffable secret': Be convinced that, if man were able to reach the end without preparatory studies, such studies would not be preparatory but tiresome and utterly superfluous
Consequently he who wishes to attain to human perfection, must therefore first study Logic, next the various branches of Mathematics in their proper order, then Physics, and lastly Metaphysics
He, however, who begins with Metaphysics, will not only become confused in matters of religion, but will fall into complete infidelity
Maimonides I think that is one of the best advise I've heard. I guess this is really what Freemasonry teaches, no? To have our basics down before traveling to 'foriegn countries'? Thanks Tarmin! in LVX,
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Post by lumuriaturge on Dec 22, 2009 8:51:14 GMT
'No one goes without when everything's within.'
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