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Mar 11, 2010 4:22:39 GMT
Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 4:22:39 GMT
Since I was about 15 (14 years ago)I have been turning a theory over in my head surrounding the symbols and meanings for positive, negative, and neutral. I never take my studies too in depth mostly from the enormity of the possibilities, and the conclusions I'll come to will be through the influence of how I think things should be and not always socially accepted in topic. To do any theory you have to have a basic simple and easy to remember foundation to build the rest of your ideas from, you would be essentially going back to the drawing board with no board waiting for you. Like in building you have to add and take away things to keep the structure functioning and problem free. In our minds this is how this is "basically" done giving good thoughts a + signature and bad thoughts a - signature. the neutral would be the essential drawing board a blank screen 0. if you notice even in nature the - is more grounded in appearance symbolically speaking and the + is providing a range of direction. the reason I mention not delving too deep is because a + thought to you might end up a - thought when compared to the thoughts of everyone throughout time. even getting this far into it is more then i want to go mostly because its not about whats right and whats wrong, its about what we can come up with in the middle to make the struggle easier. Trying to pick a side on more over less is a losing battle, whereas I don't feel a person over eternity would persist in being a negative person, It's a matter of convincing the person the thoughts that lead their life is hurting them more than helping them, thus taking away and adding dealing with both forces. So when I started getting into symbols to basically just see if there were any others, I noticed it fit really well with the eternity symbol left side being - and spinning to the left with + on the right spinning to the right, and coming to focus at the 0 in the center. This connection really sent my mind racing, it literally felt like a nuclear bomb went off in my head..... seriously. This bomb of possibilities of symbols shapes and connections was even frighteningly overwhelming at times, I'm so glad my wife can handle a crazy husband cause I didn't shut up. I love history and figuring out the way things work, and I have noticed in many religions the things revolving around + acts are clockwise spinning to the right, like the prayer wheels you spin. I've also applied this to black and white with grey being neutral, and have noticed this separation of perception in middle eastern religions with men wearing white and women wearing black. I actually found this application to be more connected to religions still active today, but I see this as someone trying to get rid of their shadow in fear of what it might do to them, not having anything stable in-between the burning light and frightening dark to hold onto. I know every religion wants the best for their people same as politics but they are always leaving another side out saying what these large number of people feel and believe isn't right make it go away and leave them without a path they can walk down. The greatest gift I feel we have received is the ability to essentially live an entire situation in our heads before we act it out. imagination is endless boundless and will take you any direction you want to go. As all this was going i started remembering some letters I combined when i was 15 and first starting this theory. these letters were "i am" get a piecer of paper and pencil and write the capitol A upside down with the lower case m on top of it. it makes a heart and if you put a lower case I between them it makes a multilayer-ed heart, the dot would be the point of perception. Now i have actually seen this shape on Egyptian hieroglyphics. I found a few more fun things like this and i started noticing a pattern in which letters were flipped and which weren't, and not only flipped but turned to the right or left as well. To start lets examine the shape "m" not being capitol and in the context of the heart it could look like two people lying down while looking at them head on. This would imply a emotion that happens outside of our conscious control or even something spiritual, but things in this category would be turned to the right. so write down the m on its side being turned to the right. Now we have the top of our heart and the beginning of our journey to what we need. go ahead write the "i" normal but touching the "m" so while your writing it gives the example of finding a point and working your way to the bottom of it. so when faced this dilemma of love and a need to satisfy the opposites wants you start seeing all the anarchy going on around you and now you have to find a way to get out of it. so to build thought in our imaginations would turn a symbol to the left this symbol being "A" for anarchy. Now write this down being turned to the left opposite the "m" completing the heart shape. Now we have the full picture of what we want and who we want it with now we just need how to get it done. coming to this conclusion would turn this symbol as a whole to the left being a new build of thought. Something trivial like how to tie your shoes or something physical like a house is accepted by mans thoughts and reinforced into the earth, this would be the initial reason were here being gravity pulling down and hence the reason for the "i" being just normal. Now we have our full heart with everything where we want it. well thats perty much it I hope I didn't make anyone too crazy . I got allot of notes on the stuff I've been working on and I'm sure I'll be getting it out.
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Mar 11, 2010 15:36:50 GMT
Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 15:36:50 GMT
please keep in mind this is a raw idea and the direction you turn something and the reason why may be for any various reason. For example to the right originaly i considered the direction for birth, being our gift from god that i call the spark of life, but not something we create just or have done to start the process. Where as i can try to find the source of the other sides my base starts on the left being imagination and this pattern persists for me.
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Mar 12, 2010 20:45:00 GMT
Post by sammy on Mar 12, 2010 20:45:00 GMT
i just came up with this and feel it fits the directions better. left would be what we question or think about, right would be what we know for fact, down would be what we can see in reality, and up would be what we see for real but is unseen.
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Mar 13, 2010 19:23:29 GMT
Post by sammy on Mar 13, 2010 19:23:29 GMT
i would like to say i hold no bars to these thoughts and would love your input. i hold my truth's as i can see my imagination, i can see my body, im alive, and this all came from somewhere.
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Mar 14, 2010 14:13:31 GMT
Post by sammy on Mar 14, 2010 14:13:31 GMT
somebody had a question regarding positions on a diff site and i had an addition.
oh i see the question but with the A and m in their current position the i would be turned to the left. instead of turning your focus (i) turn what your focusing on (A and m), in addition i noticed due to gravity when we are working on projects or writing we are usualy looking down.
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Jan 8, 2011 3:28:07 GMT
Post by 1wizardstone on Jan 8, 2011 3:28:07 GMT
This -0+ in my opinion would relate to a symbolic, integrated way of thinking for dealing with information and ideas. Sort of like a flawless binary code... symbols that will bypass rigid thinking barriers. I have only found one of them that seems to master all. It's called "Resolution M.T.F." There is probably a free version if googled for PDF.
In accordance to your first few paragraphs... (-) equals false (+) equals true and (0) equals mysterious because is will consist of [both true and false at once]. This will give you the complete and harmonious trinity of synchronism for the intellect and understanding.
Attach those symbols to the 3 corners of a regular triangle and use it for thoughts or ideas concerning specific areas or problems and you will basically have the pretext formula for advanced intelligence. I have used this code myself, but I was more successful with [M] [T] and [F]. Numbers and symbols didn’t seem to resonate as well as 3 simple letters.
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Jan 8, 2011 23:32:00 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 8, 2011 23:32:00 GMT
I would agree mysterious, true, and false is alot more easier to explain. Especialy since I spent forever trying to get the deffinition in the right words. I wasnt aware of any active processes that people were using/learning thanks for the update The background of the theory was during my school days and my favorite class astronomy/physics, so I guess its not suprising I chose symbols. Thank you very much 1wizard for the comments!
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Jan 9, 2011 3:22:46 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 9, 2011 3:22:46 GMT
Just put this together to better demonstrate how I see it. I have many copies on paper, mostly all rough draft.
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Jan 9, 2011 4:49:47 GMT
Post by 1wizardstone on Jan 9, 2011 4:49:47 GMT
I would agree mysterious, true, and false is alot more easier to explain. Especialy since I spent forever trying to get the deffinition in the right words. I wasnt aware of any active processes that people were using/learning thanks for the update The background of the theory was during my school days and my favorite class astronomy/physics, so I guess its not suprising I chose symbols. Thank you very much 1wizard for the comments! You bet... it actually is a remarkable discovery and quite powerful if understood. The only material that I have found to explain it in full is the free ebook entitled "Resolution M.T.F. on website resolutiontrue.com. It maps out everything for the reader. But it still amounts to the trinity in human understanding... and harmoniously using the trinity leads to a process of uncovering "the true... [T]" When we have a thinking block it is not becouse there is "no information" it is because both true [T] and false [F] is being presented at once in the intellect regarding something we're attempting to solve or figure out.... hence (0) or [M] for mysterious... mysterious equals no-thing=0 I will have to study your previous post for I am a studant of this type of "super thinking" or logistic technology.... with regards.
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Jan 9, 2011 17:45:46 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 9, 2011 17:45:46 GMT
I would agree mysterious, true, and false is alot more easier to explain. Especialy since I spent forever trying to get the deffinition in the right words. I wasnt aware of any active processes that people were using/learning thanks for the update The background of the theory was during my school days and my favorite class astronomy/physics, so I guess its not suprising I chose symbols. Thank you very much 1wizard for the comments! You bet... it actually is a remarkable discovery and quite powerful if understood. The only material that I have found to explain it in full is the free ebook entitled "Resolution M.T.F. on website resolutiontrue.com. It maps out everything for the reader. But it still amounts to the trinity in human understanding... and harmoniously using the trinity leads to a process of uncovering "the true... [T]" When we have a thinking block it is not becouse there is "no information" it is because both true [T] and false [F] is being presented at once in the intellect regarding something we're attempting to solve or figure out.... hence (0) or [M] for mysterious... mysterious equals no-thing=0 I will have to study your previous post for I am a studant of this type of "super thinking" or logistic technology.... with regards. Thanks for the wesbite! Lookin into it right now
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Jan 9, 2011 18:31:00 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 9, 2011 18:31:00 GMT
Resolution M.T.F. on website resolutiontrue.com It seems to have the same payoffs as mine does since it is basicly the same processes. Im huge on mind frames though, and the reason being is that I feel your frame of mind has the most influence on your perception of reality. Due to this I like the white and black or possitive (+) negative (-) because something can be true but horribly wrong in the reality and putting the normal " T " or (+) in a negative state. This could start to confuse a allready complex understanding and Im trying to come up with something that covers all bases. I also like the mind frame im trying to tie in with my theory's example (-O+) because your consciousness in a raw state (outside of conscious thought) would be the center (or O) and percieving the goods and bads from that foundation. I support this because I think there is much worth in knowing everyone has a chance in thier own way, we just have to prove we mean it. If we are to live consciousely forever in a new state we would allready be possitioned to do those things for just as long while still being able to grow from that. Another aspect I think is important from this mind frame is the responsibility we have on our negative part, and being able to face up to our mistakes. Also a rough past is something I know about and some people need a way to be able to see beyond the hard times in life, and not just think your getting ahead but to know you have done everything in your power to change. My past isnt as bad as some would say but we all have our dark spots to overcome. Alot of this im sure stems from my religious background but I feal it has played a much larger role in history then recorded and can be beneficial for an equal mindset.
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Jan 10, 2011 4:49:18 GMT
Post by 1wizardstone on Jan 10, 2011 4:49:18 GMT
Resolution M.T.F. on website resolutiontrue.com It seems to have the same payoffs as mine does since it is basicly the same processes. Im huge on mind frames though, and the reason being is that I feel your frame of mind has the most influence on your perception of reality. Due to this I like the white and black or possitive (+) negative (-) because something can be true but horribly wrong in the reality and putting the normal " T " or (+) in a negative state. This could start to confuse a allready complex understanding and Im trying to come up with something that covers all bases. I also like the mind frame im trying to tie in with my theory's example (-O+) because your consciousness in a raw state (outside of conscious thought) would be the center (or O) and percieving the goods and bads from that foundation. I support this because I think there is much worth in knowing everyone has a chance in thier own way, we just have to prove we mean it. If we are to live consciousely forever in a new state we would allready be possitioned to do those things for just as long while still being able to grow from that. Another aspect I think is important from this mind frame is the responsibility we have on our negative part, and being able to face up to our mistakes. Also a rough past is something I know about and some people need a way to be able to see beyond the hard times in life, and not just think your getting ahead but to know you have done everything in your power to change. My past isnt as bad as some would say but we all have our dark spots to overcome. Alot of this im sure stems from my religious background but I feal it has played a much larger role in history then recorded and can be beneficial for an equal mindset. You're previous diagram seems to be of a different slant... as in the concepts of right and wrong and perhaps it goes beyond just the intellectual faculity and focusing on a specific area in life. There is something about the diamond shape. I have not figured it out yet, but have thought about it many times, so it would be something more than just using a trinity format. If you watch the bonus scenes on the movie, "12 Monkeys" you will notice Brad Pitt hinting towards it with his played character back stage. I believe that movie is the only source I have ever seen a sort of "diamond thinking or method" hinted to the public... IMO. My right direction usually comes from the impulse of intuition, which I harness through meditation and applying virtue. So, spiritual wise, this would all be a different topic for me. with regards...
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Jan 10, 2011 14:07:11 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 10, 2011 14:07:11 GMT
Very interesting I wasnt aware of the behind scenes of "12 monkeys" that charectar was my favorite of brad pitts by far. The trinity is the base of both of these diagrams and the most important for surface level thinking. The reason I find a need for a 4th or 4th/5th as i stated was to put more importance on our influence to the world, but to also give oneself a oppertunity to look at the whole situation and avoid the wrong choice.
Also I had said that someone might be doing something of a possitive flow to them but not know it comes accross as negative. I push more for the frame of mind of "more then what they want and what I want a conclusion must be reached". The answer would be whole or (O) wich results being fullfilling to all sides.
Im with you on intuition and impulse "I have spent alot of my life fighting impulses to be filtered by consciousness, due to my dyslexia" but still emensely used. The benefits of this filtering process has been the most beneficial part of all this since it takes no time to think and comparitively actions take forever. I too also find merit in honor, virtue, and humanity "meditating"and usualy just follow where my feet take me. It was because of how it made everything easy to see that I felt it needed explained and told about, but again I was unaware of any other similair system being used.
I like the daimond shape but that isnt the biggest reason for this desighn, the main reason I chose this shape is because light and shadow will never combine "atleast I wouldnt want to be there if it happened" and this simple fact calls for a seperation. To seperate white from black it needs a medium, that medium in us would be our consciousness "the ability to choose either or both". The shape it takes it took on its own, I was just peicing it together.
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Jan 10, 2011 14:25:56 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 10, 2011 14:25:56 GMT
This was my original design and shape and more similair to the trinity. I had an experience when I was younger and saw that shape "lines going to a point" and it took me about 10 years to put the shape and my theory together in unison. Even after combining the two I felt way too much was being unsaid by the diagram. Wich is why I have what we choose and then the reality of that in the scheme of eternity and infinate space.
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Jan 11, 2011 2:21:43 GMT
Post by 1wizardstone on Jan 11, 2011 2:21:43 GMT
Very interesting I wasnt aware of the behind scenes of "12 monkeys" that charectar was my favorite of brad pitts by far. The trinity is the base of both of these diagrams and the most important for surface level thinking. The reason I find a need for a 4th or 4th/5th as i stated was to put more importance on our influence to the world, but to also give oneself a oppertunity to look at the whole situation and avoid the wrong choice. Also I had said that someone might be doing something of a possitive flow to them but not know it comes accross as negative. I push more for the frame of mind of "more then what they want and what I want a conclusion must be reached". The answer would be whole or (O) wich results being fullfilling to all sides. Im with you on intuition and impulse "I have spent alot of my life fighting impulses to be filtered by consciousness, due to my dyslexia" but still emensely used. The benefits of this filtering process has been the most beneficial part of all this since it takes no time to think and comparitively actions take forever. I too also find merit in honor, virtue, and humanity "meditating"and usualy just follow where my feet take me. It was because of how it made everything easy to see that I felt it needed explained and told about, but again I was unaware of any other similair system being used. I like the daimond shape but that isnt the biggest reason for this desighn, the main reason I chose this shape is because light and shadow will never combine "atleast I wouldnt want to be there if it happened" and this simple fact calls for a seperation. To seperate white from black it needs a medium, that medium in us would be our consciousness "the ability to choose either or both". The shape it takes it took on its own, I was just peicing it together. Unless I am wrong, you may be figuring out a way to think more holistically or to better integrate the left and the right patterns of the brain. I admit this is not my area of expertise... everything I am into right now is pretty much a left brain technique. The movie I mentioned has just a brief clip on one of the bonus sections that is hinted towards the diamond shape and numbers I believe, but it may be of something completely different than your own discovery or work. I just have a suspician that there are some type of patterns or symbols to "think with," encompassing everything, that will excell people beyond typical limitations in life. Using the "trinity" aspect is an obvious one as I think anyone will agree. White, Black.. and Gray area (not in your case though). True, False... and Mysterious. The Father .. Son.. and the Holy Ghost. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, lol -0+ (not your version) ........... etc. As far as fulfilling "both or all sides", I have learned that a synthesis results when people do not consider their selves as their own ideas when collaborating with each other. Ideas are at battle, but not the people. This is the same with investing with a specific side of some issue (like polatics). Usually 2 conflicting sides are a little bit right and wrong or true and false or they would not be conflicting to start (duality or polarity). Just as we are not a hammer we are not any idea on a personal level. So, when an idea presents itself that is truer or the winner concerning something, if the person doesn't identify their "self" as their ideas then they can easily drop that lesser or false idea and pick up the truer idea. Many artists work this way and refer to it as "getting a one-up" from each other... They excell beyond normal becouse they are not attached to their ideas or any specific way of doing things. Ideas are just toys and when a better one comes along concerning something they grap it and discard the older one as useless, expired. But it is nothing but dropping a lesser idea or [F] and picking up the new and truer idea [T] regarding some specific area in life. By doing so, all associated sides win from what I can tell. The ego is then rendered as stupid. Anyway ... I thought I would share more info... I would think that there would be something that advances the left/right integration into "whole thinking." Meditation is what has always worked for me and also scrapping the notion of linear time every once in a while. Now is what really exists... "holistically." The rest is a timeline puzzle maze that never seems to fit together perfectly, lol.
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Jan 11, 2011 4:32:52 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 11, 2011 4:32:52 GMT
The title of this thread, as well as the inclusion of diagrams, reminds me of a work by Karlheinz Stockhausen, entitled "Plus Minus", in which a set of 7 diagrams, containing non-conventional symbols, are used to interpret another set of 7 diagrams of more or less recognizable "standard" music notation, to produce a "score", which is then utilized by performers. Here is one of the diagrams to give you an idea (there is a complicated set of instructions that is used to interpret the diagrams). You will notice that in each box there are sometimes + and - symbols; if I recall, they have to do with adding to a sound event, and taking away from a sound event. I could be wrong, as it's been about 20 years since I spent any time trying to figure this one out, and I will be honest in admitting that I finally abandoned the effort. Yes, actualy I have many similair scetches for rough drafts. I truly dont blame you for moving on HAHA.
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Jan 11, 2011 4:52:24 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 11, 2011 4:52:24 GMT
Very interesting I wasnt aware of the behind scenes of "12 monkeys" that charectar was my favorite of brad pitts by far. The trinity is the base of both of these diagrams and the most important for surface level thinking. The reason I find a need for a 4th or 4th/5th as i stated was to put more importance on our influence to the world, but to also give oneself a oppertunity to look at the whole situation and avoid the wrong choice. Also I had said that someone might be doing something of a possitive flow to them but not know it comes accross as negative. I push more for the frame of mind of "more then what they want and what I want a conclusion must be reached". The answer would be whole or (O) wich results being fullfilling to all sides. Im with you on intuition and impulse "I have spent alot of my life fighting impulses to be filtered by consciousness, due to my dyslexia" but still emensely used. The benefits of this filtering process has been the most beneficial part of all this since it takes no time to think and comparitively actions take forever. I too also find merit in honor, virtue, and humanity "meditating"and usualy just follow where my feet take me. It was because of how it made everything easy to see that I felt it needed explained and told about, but again I was unaware of any other similair system being used. I like the daimond shape but that isnt the biggest reason for this desighn, the main reason I chose this shape is because light and shadow will never combine "atleast I wouldnt want to be there if it happened" and this simple fact calls for a seperation. To seperate white from black it needs a medium, that medium in us would be our consciousness "the ability to choose either or both". The shape it takes it took on its own, I was just peicing it together. Unless I am wrong, you may be figuring out a way to think more holistically or to better integrate the left and the right patterns of the brain. I admit this is not my area of expertise... everything I am into right now is pretty much a left brain technique. The movie I mentioned has just a brief clip on one of the bonus sections that is hinted towards the diamond shape and numbers I believe, but it may be of something completely different than your own discovery or work. I just have a suspician that there are some type of patterns or symbols to "think with," encompassing everything, that will excell people beyond typical limitations in life. Using the "trinity" aspect is an obvious one as I think anyone will agree. White, Black.. and Gray area (not in your case though). True, False... and Mysterious. The Father .. Son.. and the Holy Ghost. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, lol -0+ (not your version) ........... etc. As far as fulfilling "both or all sides", I have learned that a synthesis results when people do not consider their selves as their own ideas when collaborating with each other. Ideas are at battle, but not the people. This is the same with investing with a specific side of some issue (like polatics). Usually 2 conflicting sides are a little bit right and wrong or true and false or they would not be conflicting to start (duality or polarity). Just as we are not a hammer we are not any idea on a personal level. So, when an idea presents itself that is truer or the winner concerning something, if the person doesn't identify their "self" as their ideas then they can easily drop that lesser or false idea and pick up the truer idea. Many artists work this way and refer to it as "getting a one-up" from each other... They excell beyond normal becouse they are not attached to their ideas or any specific way of doing things. Ideas are just toys and when a better one comes along concerning something they grap it and discard the older one as useless, expired. But it is nothing but dropping a lesser idea or [F] and picking up the new and truer idea [T] regarding some specific area in life. By doing so, all associated sides win from what I can tell. The ego is then rendered as stupid. Anyway ... I thought I would share more info... I would think that there would be something that advances the left/right integration into "whole thinking." Meditation is what has always worked for me and also scrapping the notion of linear time every once in a while. Now is what really exists... "holistically." The rest is a timeline puzzle maze that never seems to fit together perfectly, lol. Thanks for describing MTF since the "free version" explained little but advertised much. I was figuring this was the intended goal for the program though, I just wasnt gonna pay to find out. It just seems the scrap old idea for new is a bit harsh on older ideas, old as they are but they still have thier place in existance. I would very much say my theory is geared toward thinking as a whole. Thinking as a whole can only be achieved if everyone is thinking as a whole. Its odd but I think thats what internet has evolved earth toward, and as strange as it sounds I dont think any one person knows what changes untill its known. Wich makes since because its unknown with the current knowledge untill the change occurs and can be observed.
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Jan 11, 2011 16:22:38 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 11, 2011 16:22:38 GMT
The reason I say old ideas have thier place is because even if the idea isnt executed it still needs to be known in the event of others. You cant explain how to do something if you dont know how it was done the hard way. We retain everything but being able to access it again is the tricky part and over time it can become near impossible.
I guess in short im saying once you cant use something to gain ground it can still be used to hold the ground you gained. Wich could be seen as somewhat self centered and can deffinately be used that way, but the ground is the people around you. So its how you connect and improve with others that takes focus.
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Jan 11, 2011 17:03:37 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 11, 2011 17:03:37 GMT
As far as fulfilling "both or all sides", I have learned that a synthesis results when people do not consider their selves as their own ideas when collaborating with each other.
Ideas are at battle, but not the people. This is the same with investing with a specific side of some issue (like polatics). Usually 2 conflicting sides are a little bit right and wrong or true and false or they would not be conflicting to start (duality or polarity).
This scenario is what im trying to avoid, blame will be placed if acts were done in the ideas name. Putting too much on the idea also starts to relieve you of being responsible for what it bears in fruit good or bad. Because of this fact it will guide the acts done at all in a different direction then the original goal intended. Even though I have spent most of my life with this theory I dont consider it "my own work alone" and try to keep its integrity outside of my own, as the idea is designed toward a perfect balance I know I am far from perfect. I hope you dont think I mean this toward 1wizard, im just trying to help shape the frame of mind. I think as humans we need to fill our center with the love we have found on earth because you can place yourself among others at your worste moment. Shame can be overcome with understanding from others (in most cases HAHA, some things just arent worthe mentioning unless you just got the sudden urge to be the donkey of the day ).
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Jan 22, 2011 18:14:17 GMT
Post by sammy on Jan 22, 2011 18:14:17 GMT
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