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Feb 26, 2014 6:35:55 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 6:35:55 GMT
Not difficult at all, as I see it. We have been discussing the three major branches of Philosophy — Epistemology, Logic and Metaphysics. Of course leaving out paranormal and parapsychology views which was the topic at hand. Much of the "paranormal" is investigated by parapsychologists (in philosophy this comes under metaphysics). Parapsychology has been criticized for continuing investigation despite not having demonstrated conclusive evidence of psychic abilities in more than a century of research.
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Feb 26, 2014 6:41:13 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 6:41:13 GMT
So far you have only discussed how a spiritual perspective is a delusional one. Not that ANY spiritual perspective is delusional; only much of what passes as "spiritual".
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Feb 26, 2014 6:45:14 GMT
Post by peter2 on Feb 26, 2014 6:45:14 GMT
Put simply. You cant see what's at the top, If you don't climb the ladder. It does take quite some effort and self-discipline to learn how and then to climb the ladder. In some traditions, at least decades and usually life times of effort are required.
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Feb 26, 2014 6:45:50 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 6:45:50 GMT
No loss to me other then the time as I have found my beleif, but it is a lot more of a loss for you. To free a person from error is to give, and not to take away
Arthur Schopenhauer
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Feb 26, 2014 6:47:41 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 6:47:41 GMT
Put simply. You cant see what's at the top, If you don't climb the ladder. I suggest you check the firmness of the ground on which your ladder stands.
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Feb 26, 2014 6:54:04 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 6:54:04 GMT
It does take quite some effort and self-discipline to learn how and then to climb the ladder. In some traditions, at least decades and usually life times of effort are required. I suggest you may be mistaken if you assume a lack of time, effort and self-discipline on my part. I have both honours and scars as a result.
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Feb 26, 2014 13:50:44 GMT
Post by sammy on Feb 26, 2014 13:50:44 GMT
I am not concerned for my own ladder.
Do me this one thing Tamrin. I will leave you to think whatever you want about me or other "spiritualists", If you just do this one thing for me. Forget everything that was told to you, and everything you have read in books. Clear your mind of all your thoughts, and then write something in this thread from your own words and mind, that's completely original and yours. If you can show me you can do this, I will leave you to your chosen ladder. Because I will know you will have but one wrung on the ladder, that is the beauty of our ladder to God.
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Feb 26, 2014 16:41:36 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 16:41:36 GMT
Do me this one thing Tamrin. I will leave you ... Why would I want you to leave me? I have gathered a posie of other men's flowers, and nothing but the thread that binds them is mine own
John Bartlett
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Feb 26, 2014 16:49:25 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 16:49:25 GMT
If you want originality from me, visit my Featured Themes at The Quarry.
It is an unscrupulous intellect that does not pay to antiquity its due reverence
Desiderius Erasmus
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Feb 26, 2014 16:52:54 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 26, 2014 16:52:54 GMT
If you can show me you can do this, I will leave you to your chosen ladder. Because I will know you will have but one wrung on the ladder... Your approval is of no interest to me.
Quotations are useful in periods of ignorance or obscurantist beliefs
Guy Debord
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Feb 26, 2014 18:23:48 GMT
Post by sammy on Feb 26, 2014 18:23:48 GMT
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Feb 28, 2014 15:53:33 GMT
Post by billmcelligott on Feb 28, 2014 15:53:33 GMT
Aint that the truth.
Heres another.
and another
and it is reasonable to look at the rules such as they are here
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Feb 28, 2014 20:57:48 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Feb 28, 2014 20:57:48 GMT
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Feb 28, 2014 23:36:35 GMT
Post by billmcelligott on Feb 28, 2014 23:36:35 GMT
Sure -
you said
which is not nice nor polite but definately couched.
It is basically saying, you can say what you like but my opinion is superior.
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Mar 1, 2014 7:24:26 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Mar 1, 2014 7:24:26 GMT
Sure - you said which is not nice nor polite but definately couched. It is basically saying, you can say what you like but my opinion is superior. It does not follow.
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Mar 1, 2014 13:11:29 GMT
Post by sammy on Mar 1, 2014 13:11:29 GMT
Sure - you said which is not nice nor polite but definately couched. It is basically saying, you can say what you like but my opinion is superior. It does not follow. Ok how about questioning my beliefs from the start, then calling them delusions? I ONLY continued the conversation in hope you would see a glimmer of light through reason. A fruitless venture I might add. You may have enjoyed yourself.... But others have not.
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Mar 1, 2014 16:43:54 GMT
Post by billmcelligott on Mar 1, 2014 16:43:54 GMT
It is basically saying, you can say what you like but my opinion is superior. It does not follow. OK then , I will reply thus : Your approval is of no interest to me.
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Mar 1, 2014 21:21:57 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Mar 1, 2014 21:21:57 GMT
Ok how about questioning my beliefs from the start, then calling them delusions? I had not participated in this thread "from the start" (2010). While it may indeed be wise for us all to allow for the possibility of delusion, please show me where I actually called your beliefs delusions.
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Mar 1, 2014 21:24:13 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Mar 1, 2014 21:24:13 GMT
OK then , I will reply thus : Your approval is of no interest to me. OK then, but that is beside the point. This is unlike my similar post which was to the point, being a politely restrained yet apt response to an overtly disdainful offer of conditional approval (or rather reduced disapproval). If you can show me you can do this, I will leave you to your chosen ladder. Because I will know you will have but one wrung [sic] on the ladder... Arguably, THAT post constitutes a breach of the rules, according to your reasoning. which is not nice nor polite but definately couched. It is basically saying, you can say what you like but my opinion is superior.
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Mar 2, 2014 10:55:26 GMT
Post by billmcelligott on Mar 2, 2014 10:55:26 GMT
Philip, you are an articulate clever individual.
You are fully aware that I am using this rhetoric to make a point.
all Freemasons sign up to 'do unto others as ..........'
politeness and respect costs nothing.
Argument is absolutely fine, it is a tool by which we all learn. Why not learn and teach with a good heart.
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