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Post by rembrandt on Oct 1, 2010 3:25:58 GMT
The problem with the lodge room is that all rites of Masonry don't organize the lodge room in the same manner. If you are relying upon the contemporary Pretson-Webb model then you are off alignment with the way it used to be done. Are you suggesting that it was supposed to be set up this way and it took a while to get there or that it was right then and everyone else is wrong now?
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 1, 2010 3:27:48 GMT
I will need a little help if you don't mind. How do we reduce what this gentleman has done to simplicity itself? Since you have studied the subject can you help me out with this?
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 1, 2010 15:54:37 GMT
The mouse levitating through the use of a mechanical device falls within the parameters of testable and falsifiable science. I have no problem accepting facts when presented. It still says nothing of the claims that individuals can levitate using only mind-power. It is still undisplayed under situations where scientific rigors can be applied. Those rigors were applied to the 'levitation' of the mouse (through complex machinery). Weird that the claims have been around for centuries, yet none are willing to step forward with proof of how and why it functions. This is the most convincing evidence I've seen thus far: www.youtube.com/watch?v=voVj8zVTWCAThe Coral Castle is easliy explained in much simpler terms: www.livescience.com/history/060328_coral_castle.html"There is one detail that virtually all agree on: since the reclusive Leedskalnin spent nearly thirty years working mostly at night and away from prying eyes, no one actually saw him move the coral. Since no one saw the blocks actually being moved, no one can state for certain that the task was accomplished by Leedskalnin alone. The claim that Leedskalnin didn't use modern (post-1920s) tools is obviously true, but the mistake is in assuming that modern tools are required to move the large blocks of coral.
Ultimately—and ironically—the solution may lie in Leedskalnin's own simple explanation: that he did it using principles of weight and leverage. "I have discovered the secrets of the pyramids," he said, employing the same methods used by ancient Egyptians. If Leedskalnin was being truthful, then the mystery is solved, for the methods by which the Egyptian pyramids could be constructed are well understood (see, for example, Mark Lehner's 1997 book The Complete Pyramids).
Photos exist of large tripods, pulleys, and winches at the Coral Castle site, and several sources (e.g., Wallace Wallington's Web site http://www.theforgottentechnology.com) demonstrate how massive weights can be moved by one or two people using simple physics. (The comparisons to Egypt's pyramids are a red herring; there are vast differences in weight, material, and complexity between the castle's coral slabs and the huge stone pyramids at Giza. Because coral is porous, large blocks appear heavier than they actually are.)
Many mystery mongers arrogantly assume that those living in earlier times (such as Leedskalnin, or the ancient Egyptians) were not clever or resourceful enough to possibly have created impressive engineering feats without extraterrestial aid or mysterious powers. This view betrays an ignorance of history and sadly underestimates human ingenuity. It seems likely that if scientists haven't explained the Coral Castle specifically, it's because there's little to "explain." The Coral Castle mystery seems to be simply a matter of poorly-informed people who reject a mundane reality in favor of a fanciful myth."
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 1, 2010 20:39:32 GMT
As I said before, I would love to see these feats performed under direct observation and measurement. If he can levitate or kill with his mind then it shouldn't be too difficult for him to do it right now considering he doesn't require any equipment.
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 3, 2010 5:43:00 GMT
You and I both, Brother. All I am asking for is verifying evidence of what is claimed. Not anything that should be too much to ask.
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 3, 2010 13:22:23 GMT
It does seem to be too much though doesn't it? I figure if a guy can levitate whenever he wants he should be able to do it with cameras, fMRI, and other such devices in play.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 4, 2010 4:11:39 GMT
If this guy doesn't have 'mystical powers', who does? The fact of the matter is, is that "Mystical powers are a hindrance on the Path and should be shunned like feces" as the Aquarian Avatar, Shri Ramakrishna used to say. That baba that claimed mystical powers and who tried to kill someone with them should be on his KNEES with gratitude to GOD for his failure; just think of the TERRIBLE KARMA involved in such an act and for a frivolous purpose, too!. It is better that he should take a GUN and shoot the man; the karma for mere murder by one's own hand is MUCH LESS than that incurred byEXPLOITINGG and thereby PROFANING, the Powers of Heaven and Earth for such a wicked purpose!
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 4, 2010 5:47:11 GMT
It does seem to be too much though doesn't it? I figure if a guy can levitate whenever he wants he should be able to do it with cameras, fMRI, and other such devices in play. I know that these requests have been made many times. I believe Brother Houdini *wanted* proof of an afterlife following his wife's passing, which is why he became a wrecking ball against the charlatans of his age and exposed many spiritualists for utter frauds. Unfortunately, he never seemed to find something convincing. Brother Arthur Conan Doyle found the evidence he had to be compelling, but it was not nearly convincing when I read the accounts.
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 4, 2010 12:06:02 GMT
Do these magic powers exist. It doesn't seem to be so. The fakirs, gurus, wizards etc that claim them are not able to show them. Again, I am not saying that they do not exist but there is little to no evidence that they do. It would be great if they did but wishful thinking should not replace actual thinking. Arthur Conan Doyle believed his evidence because he wanted to. It made him feel better (my opinion) which is great. Houdini did a great service by wrecking frauds.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 5, 2010 0:37:28 GMT
Actually they DO exist, but it is a FACT that it is "not allowed" to SHOW THEM OFF. As anyone who "knows" can tell you: THE SECRETS PROTECT THEMSELVES. F'r instance, the great Avatar Shri Ramakrishna described one such feat of Tantric magick that he actually witnessed: he got to watch a "siddha" (adept) stretch out his arm, place about 80 pounds of firewood on it, light it, and perform a "homa" ritual (a form of fire worship where butter and similar offerings are made into the fire) all while the firewood burned right there on his arm! There is no room for denial: as all his disciples and close acquaintances knew very well, Ramakrishna was constitutionally unable to tell a lie. He is on record as saying to his disbelieving disciples: "I myself saw him do it!".
Another time Ramakrishna was out at night with another "siddha"; when Ramakrishna got upset because it was dark and he was unable to see anything, the adept smiled and said:"Don't worry brother, I will give you light!"- and he turned his back to the road...his BACKBONE lit up like a beacon and threw a bright beam of light down the road, enough for Ramakrishna to see his way home!
But to see such things is RARE because the Powers behind such stunts DO NOT allow them to be "put on exhibition". I have had MANY astounding things happen to me, but I can never TALK about them because they sound like the PUREST INSANITY, geared as they were to me, and me alone! The moment I try to put them into words, they LOSE all their magick, like the legendary "fairy jewels' that become nothing more than a handful of LEAVES when you look at them by day! Anyone who asks an adept to 'tell me the secrets" will be told 'Even I f I wanted to, I can tell you NOTHING:it can't be put into words. You have to have 'the experience' and ONLY THEN you will understand!" The same can be said of Magick: the secrets protect themselves!
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 5, 2010 1:19:12 GMT
Do these magic powers exist. It doesn't seem to be so. The fakirs, gurus, wizards etc that claim them are not able to show them. Again, I am not saying that they do not exist but there is little to no evidence that they do. It would be great if they did but wishful thinking should not replace actual thinking. Arthur Conan Doyle believed his evidence because he wanted to. It made him feel better (my opinion) which is great. Houdini did a great service by wrecking frauds. Yes, there are so many claims out there, both ancient and modern, but hardly a shred of evidence for any of it. Plenty of displays, yet invariably it ends up being just frauds or people quoting musty books.
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 5, 2010 1:22:31 GMT
May I offer that I have special insight that is incontrovertible. KNOs1s will attest to this, I am incapable of telling any lie whatsoever. I have special insight that the Indian stories are lies. Of course I am unable to prove any of this because if anyone would try to verify my claims I would be unable because that would rob the magic from it.
Are you suggesting that fairy jewels turn into common leaves when viewed by Light?
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 9, 2010 4:39:07 GMT
In point of fact, Ramakrishna insisted that "Truth is the best "tapasya" (spiritual practice) of the Kali Yuga". That is something no Freemason can deny; "truth' is the very standard to which they all aspire.
It is a curious fact that when I learned about Ramakrishna, and how he validated every religion that came his way, I wondered if he had ever had any contact with Freemasonry. Then I obtained a book about him, containing various accounts of people's encounters with Ramakrishna, and there it was, as if in reply to my question: a brief mention of Ramakrishna having made a trip to Calcutta specifically to "look at Masonic symbols"; thus there is evidence to suggest that Ramakrishna may well have been approached by Indian Freemasons (he had many devotees among the British-educated Indians) ; it would be most edifying to know what he had to say to them!
I do wonder if any Calcutta Lodges have extant records of Ramakrishna's remarks on the symbols of Freemasonry!
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 9, 2010 17:25:48 GMT
All should seek truth. That does require ego-less inquiry.
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 11, 2010 5:04:33 GMT
Can you imagine the box office receipts if someone actually displayed an uncanny ability under rugged scrutiny? The ticket sales would be astronomical!
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 11, 2010 12:33:41 GMT
It would be a show indeed. If these abilities can be shown to masses of people in the distant past then why not now.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 12, 2010 2:05:43 GMT
>shrug< Nobody would believe it as an "ability". They would assume it was a 'trick' of some kind, like David Copperfield making the Statue of Liberty "disappear". In any case, the Sufis say that people who are induced to "believe" through the production of "miracles" are nothing more than 'thrill-seekers' with no real "faith" but only a hankering for phenomena, and thus are NOT candidates for any sort of 'higher' knowledge.
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 12, 2010 3:02:29 GMT
It would be a show indeed. If these abilities can be shown to masses of people in the distant past then why not now. If David Copperfield can pull in an audience, it is striking to note that those claiming to do the same types of magic have come forward with no evidence. That fact is telling in itself. There will always be Frauds as long as there are Suckers.
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 12, 2010 11:51:02 GMT
I am sure more people would believe it when the event was observed under controlled circumstances with strict measurements. There are quite a few stage magicians involved in CFI because they know how tricks are done.
There are awards out there, lucrative ones, to people offering objective proof of magical/psychic powers. Nobody has collected yet. If the money bothers them because it would prostitute their power then they can use the award to feed the poor and homeless.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 13, 2010 2:18:06 GMT
What about those people who do 'remote viewing' for the government? Why would the governments invest THOUSANDS of dollars into something "unprovable"? Maybe "psychic' people DON'T WANT government types KNOWING about what they can do...ever heard of "M.K.Ult.ra"? Not the sort whose clutches you want to fall into; I personally know someone whose mother got a LOBOTOMY from them because she had the audacity to want to LEAVE her abusive husband!
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