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Post by KNOs1s on Apr 11, 2010 2:42:52 GMT
Many are in favor of self-sacrifice when it's someone else doing the sacrificing. That has what to do with the price of tea in China? Why go out of your way to start an argument? It was just a general comment not aimed anywhere. Yeesh! ;D
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 11, 2010 10:41:51 GMT
Mr. Spock said - 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.' Which is a completely different twist. That's a great quote and a great movie. ;D As Spock placed his hand on the perspex wall of the isolation chamber, Jim Kirk placed his hand the other side of the wall, Jim Kirk became the vessel of the consciousness of spock , which was eventually recovered by Spock's Father and a Witch looking Lady in The Search for Spock. Yes I know too much time watching television. But having admitted that much of how we are shaped these days comes from what we see on the Tele. There are many great lessons in Star Trek and in Star Wars.
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Post by KNOs1s on Apr 11, 2010 12:35:43 GMT
That's one of my favorite S.T. films. I need to watch it again. As sci fi goes, I have a special place in my heart for BLADERUNNER. 'My mother? Let me tell you about my mother.' (punctuated with gunfire.) Also, ALPHAVILLE and SOYLENT GREEN.
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Post by Leo on Apr 11, 2010 18:14:12 GMT
To me as a Co-Mason this is WONDERFUL news! Acknowledgement to "John Dee" on TFM Forum for posting this news there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Grand Orient Opens to Women by Francois Koch April 9, 2010 www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/le-grand-orient-s-ouvre-aux-femmes_883416.htmlElectric shock in a very masculine Masonic landscape, the largest French obedience, 50,000 Brothers strong, officially recognized on Friday the freedom of the Lodges to initiate women. Will the Grand Orient become a mixed obedience? The Grand Orient, an almost three hundred years old federation of Lodges where only men had been fully initiated, regularly submitted the question to its annual assemblies in September, but a majority never emerged in favor of the right of Lodges to accept Sisters or to initiate women. This refusal appeared quite regressive, in view of the proportion of women, which has remained since 2000 at 17% of all French Freemasons. The current Grand Master, Pierre Lambicchi, chose to change the method, by not waiting for the new assembly of the Lodges in September, in two ways: 1. On January 21, 2010, Olivia Chaumont, a transsexual, was recognized as a Sister of the Grand Orient. This was an innovation, as the predecessors of Pierre Lambicchi had preferred to discreetly direct the Brothers who became women to the mixed or feminine Lodges. 2. On April 8, 2010, the Supreme Court of Masonic Justice (CSJM) ruled that the Lodges are free to initiate women without violating the General Regulations of the obedience. The CSJM was approached by Pierre Lambicchi himself 15 days ago, The Grand Master wished that it would consider the question posed by the Lodges that initiated six women a year ago. In spite of the disavowal by the majority of the Brothers in a vote of the assembly of September 2009, they persisted in arguing that they had the right to initiate whomever they wanted in their own group. In view of this leading decision by the CSJM, the six women initiated into the Grand Orient in a quasi clandestine manner could be officially recognized by the obedience. Other Sisters are sure to follow them. Will the Grand Orient become a mixed obedience? In practice, yes. Officially, no. "We are not in the regular manner a mixed obedience," Pierre Lambicchi explained to L'Express. A very Masonic subtlety to calm tensions on a controversial issue? A prudent statement about what, in the land of the Brothers of the three points, constitutes a small revolution. Excellent! When my wife and I visited GDoF HQ in Paris last year we were both welcomed and treated equally as Brothers, so I am not too surprised to hear this wonderful news.
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Post by KNOs1s on Apr 12, 2010 1:14:45 GMT
I do not see why groups of different paths cannot come together and work positively to improve the world. I applaud this, and we can meet on the level of the Earth whether or not we can meet in individual tiled meetings. I support fully liberty of conscience, even and especially when others disagree. Pretty much, this is a non-victory as the G.O. has for years recognized female Masons. They only would not create them themselves, which is why Besant was so P.O.d and came up with her own system. All this does is let them do what was being done already.
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Post by magusmasonica on Apr 12, 2010 1:25:16 GMT
I do not see why groups of different paths cannot come together and work positively to improve the world. I applaud this, and we can meet on the level of the Earth whether or not we can meet in individual tiled meetings. I support fully liberty of conscience, even and especially when others disagree. Pretty much, this is a non-victory as the G.O. has for years recognized female Masons. They only would not create them themselves, which is why Besant was so P.O.d and came up with her own system. All this does is let them do what was being done already. FYI: Le Droit Humane was around before Besant.
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Post by KNOs1s on Apr 12, 2010 1:33:35 GMT
FYI, I wasn't speaking of Le Droit's existence, nor claiming Besant came up with co or feminine Masonry. If women had not been being made masons, the GO could not have recognized them as such. I did not mention Le Droit because is irrelevant to my statement. Besant established a international Le Droit, co-Masonic system that did not exist until then.
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Post by swanbean on Apr 12, 2010 21:24:59 GMT
This is wonderful news to me! I live in Austin, Texas where and how can I become a comason, please? I was a rainbow, and my Grand father was a mason and shriner. Please , please I want to make a difference and participate!!
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Post by KNOs1s on Apr 12, 2010 22:48:00 GMT
Swanbean, I would suggest as a starting point visiting this site: www.co-masonry.org/Site/English/You can contact someone there who can likely direct you in discovering what you seek. I wish you the very best in your continued journeys.
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Post by gousa1 on May 22, 2010 14:28:48 GMT
I would recommend that you contact the Grand Orient of the United States through the web site. The Grand Secretary will then help you find a lodge close to you. www.gomasons.org
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Post by magusmasonica on May 22, 2010 18:17:09 GMT
This is wonderful news to me! I live in Austin, Texas where and how can I become a comason, please? I was a rainbow, and my Grand father was a mason and shriner. Please , please I want to make a difference and participate!! Wonderful. Welcome to the forum? Where in Texas are you located? We have a 1613 Chapter in Round Rock. Texas is a huge state ;D IN LVX,
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Post by KNOs1s on May 22, 2010 20:36:06 GMT
I'm not certain Swanbean is still around Brad, but I wish her the best of luck in all her endeavors.
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Post by magusmasonica on May 22, 2010 20:47:33 GMT
I wish her all the best as well. Cheers,
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on May 26, 2010 14:05:17 GMT
I do not see why groups of different paths cannot come together and work positively to improve the world. I applaud this, and we can meet on the level of the Earth whether or not we can meet in individual tiled meetings. I support fully liberty of conscience, even and especially when others disagree. Pretty much, this is a non-victory as the G.O. has for years recognized female Masons. They only would not create them themselves, which is why Besant was so P.O.d and came up with her own system. All this does is let them do what was being done already. Yes, but now they can do it in the same Lodge room and at the same appointed hour as their male counterparts.
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on May 26, 2010 14:07:40 GMT
I would recommend that you contact the Grand Orient of the United States through the web site. The Grand Secretary will then help you find a lodge close to you. www.gomasons.orgNot being overlly familiar with the GOUSA, I was unaware that it had both male and female Craft Lodges, let alone Co-Masonic ones. Very interesting.
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Post by KNOs1s on May 26, 2010 14:27:31 GMT
I do not see why groups of different paths cannot come together and work positively to improve the world. I applaud this, and we can meet on the level of the Earth whether or not we can meet in individual tiled meetings. I support fully liberty of conscience, even and especially when others disagree. Pretty much, this is a non-victory as the G.O. has for years recognized female Masons. They only would not create them themselves, which is why Besant was so P.O.d and came up with her own system. All this does is let them do what was being done already. Yes, but now they can do it in the same Lodge room and at the same appointed hour as their male counterparts. Not belonging to the G.O.d F., I do not greatly concern myself with the matter or its functionality. That's for them to discover how it works, should they so desire. I have heard it does work in many instances. All I can go on is the word of those who belong. If their word is good, I am pleased to accept their accounts.
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Post by Leo on May 26, 2010 14:30:55 GMT
I would recommend that you contact the Grand Orient of the United States through the web site. The Grand Secretary will then help you find a lodge close to you. www.gomasons.orgNot being overlly familiar with the GOUSA, I was unaware that it had both male and female Craft Lodges, let alone Co-Masonic ones. Very interesting. I am sure Bro. Jeff will respond more accurately in due course, but as far as I am aware GOUSA currently only permit women that are already Masons [and affiliate to GLs they have affiliations with] to visit and participate in their Lodge meetings. I think that what he was saying in the quote you provided was that should a woman contact GOUSA they would put her in touch with Lodges that do already accept women. But I feel bro. Jeff will clarify in due course.
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Post by gousa1 on May 27, 2010 4:29:29 GMT
Yes, that's correct. The Grand Secretary tries to help each individual find the type of Masonry that best reflects there anticipations of the Craft. We forward some on to Anglo lodges, some to Co-Masonry or LDH, and others to GWU or GOUSA.
It is our hope that each will find what they are seeking and be able to work with others who share their interests. It's a BIG Masonic world that has something for almost everyone.
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Post by magusmasonica on May 30, 2010 21:32:57 GMT
Not being overlly familiar with the GOUSA, I was unaware that it had both male and female Craft Lodges, let alone Co-Masonic ones. Very interesting. I am sure Bro. Jeff will respond more accurately in due course, but as far as I am aware GOUSA currently only permit women that are already Masons [and affiliate to GLs they have affiliations with] to visit and participate in their Lodge meetings. I think that what he was saying in the quote you provided was that should a woman contact GOUSA they would put her in touch with Lodges that do already accept women. But I feel bro. Jeff will clarify in due course. A question though. If the GOUSA is an "open system" then all women Masons would be equal, not just those who belong to orders with direct amity. Is this correct?
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Post by dayana22 on Jun 24, 2010 6:25:25 GMT
...we create our own reality. So, in my oppinion we should not get stuck with genders, as this is not beneficient for spiritual evolution, and spiritual evolution should be the highest goal...
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