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Post by sammy on Jun 22, 2010 21:43:43 GMT
Is it possible we are reaching a point in humanity where we are all accepting the same thoughts, but can't agree on what name it is supposed to have? Is it supposed to even be such a massive deal? I feel like the fish translators in the ears of everyone from "HitchHikers Guide To The Galaxy" would of solved the majority of our problems. So essentially someone saying "Thank you Allah!" and the other hearing "Thank You God" and we all continue harmoniously. Are we short on translators? Even though i don't understand why people use death in the name of peace, it just supports my thought that there is something missing in who represents our nations. i REALLY can't see why no side is willing to make the first sacrifice of a word that means the same thing. No words in heaven? Seems like bliss to me.
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KNOs1s
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Post by KNOs1s on Jun 22, 2010 22:34:14 GMT
I think the mistake is in thinking words are the issue. Long before written language, it seems that people were killing each other. People who have different names and ideas to describe their concepts of deity or lack thereof often sit around and discuss their differences. Certainly, people still fight over this stuff based on their beliefs and non-beliefs. It has gotten better in many areas. Words are not the problem, but the answer, as words allow us to communicate. That can lead to understanding, tolerance, and even love. Without words and the ability to communicate they engender, that path to understanding would be even more painful than what we now have. Diversity is what makes us great. Homogeneity does not.
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Post by sammy on Jun 23, 2010 0:30:33 GMT
I know what you're saying and i know it's the only hope we all have of coming to any conclusion. Lets say that after we die we can't talk but we remember everything and can (for the most part) convey everything we are trying to say. For instance the bright light guy thats hard to focus on would be "insert deity here" and so on. Or another example would be someone you remember and love, you know their name but is it required to speak it for them to know you're laughing and having fun? I wont however be taking any vows of silence any time soon, but it is frustrating when i see how massive the gaps are in the world leading religions.
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Post by sammy on Jun 25, 2010 0:03:47 GMT
Perhaps your right Knos and i was a bit rough on words. It's the acts done in their name that im mad at, and i do know the beauty in words as i do consider myself somewhat of a writer. I can't see a heaven without them, Perhaps debating itself isnt allowed outside of a friendly enviroment (for the purposes of coinsiding with this theory). Anything is possible, I'm sorry if I inspired discouragement in anyone. My intent was to inspire the thought that maybe there is atleast the thought of hope on concluding this religious mind war without it getting more physical then we have all had to endure.
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Post by Zita on Oct 26, 2010 3:04:42 GMT
->this religious mind war
Mind is the problem, not the words. Take Jesus as an example - ever notice how readers of his words so easily forget the message he was giving and fight and kill each other over third party interpretations of what 'Jesus meant'.
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Post by ruffashlar on Oct 27, 2010 13:06:48 GMT
The problem is that we keep assuming that people killing each other is somehow abnormal. If people have been killing each other since the dawn of humanity (and from before humans were even what you might call legally human), it ought to be considered a normal state of affairs.
We still might not be over-fond of living in a society where someone can stick an axe in someone else's head and get away with it; but a lot of us actually do. You don't even have to go to Somalia, either. There are places inside the UK and the US that are policing no-go areas where the rule of law is a joke. Well, that's a social problem, whether we deal with it or not.
But we ought to stop believing there's something wrong with society. That's just what societies are like!
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Post by Zita on Oct 28, 2010 23:27:55 GMT
Evolution is a myth?
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 29, 2010 2:13:45 GMT
Careful Zita. Don't mention science or evidence or anything that will make someone's personal journey cold and lifeless.
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Post by auratorium on Nov 1, 2010 12:40:24 GMT
Some Creationsists have managed to use published scientific research to debunk it.
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Post by rembrandt on Nov 1, 2010 15:25:40 GMT
There hasn't been one instance in which creationism has won out. There has not yet been one instance that I know of in which evolution has been debunked. I would be interested to see it if you have a line on that information.
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Post by auratorium on Nov 1, 2010 16:03:58 GMT
There hasn't been one instance in which creationism has won out. There has not yet been one instance that I know of in which evolution has been debunked. I would be interested to see it if you have a line on that information. here is one: www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.htmlGoogle brings back hundreds upon hundreds of hits using "scientific proof that evolution is wrong" For the record, I lean towards Evolutionism, not Creationism. However, neither side has ever come up with 100% proof. Both views require faith in the unseen.
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Post by rembrandt on Nov 2, 2010 4:11:25 GMT
Too late at night amigo, I will tackle it after work tomorrow.
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Post by sammy on Nov 8, 2010 15:39:39 GMT
Careful Zita. Don't mention science or evidence or anything that will make someone's personal journey cold and lifeless. The fact we learn from our actions (evolution) and most of this was based from murder (both in defense and for food) will hardly make anyones journey cold and lifeless. The fact we are able to grow out of that makes the journey full of life. Neither creationism nor evolutionism will prevail because both mind and body were involved in the growth of individuality. If there was nothing for us to come out of, there would be no "debate". P.S. sorry for the length in time for response, we just moved.
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Post by asiinja on Nov 13, 2010 12:17:19 GMT
We are part of nature, nature has the habbit to eliminate itself to keep balance. If we go higher in numbers, we will have conflicts and eliminate eachother to keep balance. I am not hitler but I do think that we defy nature, we totaly denial natural selection and keep the weak alive. As I tell you this, that will one day kill us.
I am totaly messing with socials and ethics here, natural selection IS NEEDED, even for humans.
Fighting is natural, we will possebly never achieve peace. It is not that I don't beleave in humanity, my opinion prooves in fact that I do beleave in humanity.
There will possebly never be a point where everyone is equal, it is nice to beleave it and to hope and wish for it, but I hope you understand that being equal is quit relative.
I do not say that slaughter is good, I am not yet ready myself to have an opinion about it.
The power of nature is that it fights, the strongest survives, the powerfull evolves. They adapt, evolve, fight, move, survive.
That is nature a never ending circle of adaption and comotion.
If you would ever be able to change that the very foundation of our nature would fall apart.
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Post by sammy on Nov 16, 2010 16:33:58 GMT
We are part of nature, nature has the habbit to eliminate itself to keep balance. If we go higher in numbers, we will have conflicts and eliminate eachother to keep balance. I am not hitler but I do think that we defy nature, we totaly denial natural selection and keep the weak alive. As I tell you this, that will one day kill us. I am totaly messing with socials and ethics here, natural selection IS NEEDED, even for humans. Fighting is natural, we will possebly never achieve peace. It is not that I don't beleave in humanity, my opinion prooves in fact that I do beleave in humanity. There will possebly never be a point where everyone is equal, it is nice to beleave it and to hope and wish for it, but I hope you understand that being equal is quit relative. I do not say that slaughter is good, I am not yet ready myself to have an opinion about it. The power of nature is that it fights, the strongest survives, the powerfull evolves. They adapt, evolve, fight, move, survive. That is nature a never ending circle of adaption and comotion. If you would ever be able to change that the very foundation of our nature would fall apart. Every "problem" has its benefits, a step back and become many more steps forward then previousely possible. Savant syndrome (pronounced /səˈvɑːnt/[1]), sometimes referred to as savantism, is a rare condition in which people with developmental disorders have one or more areas of expertise, ability, or brilliance that are in contrast with the individual's overall limitations. Although not a recognized medical diagnosis, researcher Darold Treffert says the condition may be either genetic or acquired.[2]
According to Treffert, about half of all people with savant syndrome have autistic disorder, while the other half have another developmental disability, mental retardation, brain injury or disease. He says, "... not all autistic people have savant syndrome and not all people with savant syndrome have autistic disorder".[2] Other researchers state that autistic traits and savant skills may be linked,[3] or have challenged some earlier conclusions about savant syndrome as "hearsay, uncorroborated by independent scrutiny".[4]
Though it is even more rare than the savant condition itself, some savants have no apparent abnormalities other than their unique abilities. This does not mean that these abilities weren't triggered by a brain dysfunction of some sort but does temper the theory that all savants are disabled and that some sort of trade-off is required.[
A hinderance can become a strength, and the real question is kill or peace. Obliviousely I would choose peace because I think over time an answer would come, it would be and is innevitable. Saying one thing and doing another is only making us liars, but giving the world a purpose to work toward can last forever. I might not want to live with every type of person, but I dont think they should be killed or let to die (natural selection) because of that. There is many circumstances where I should have died, but the people around me or my own actions prevented the outcome being lethal or serious. Natural selection is only an obstacle, because if you train yourself to pay attention most accidents can be avoided. Being aware of your surroundings and respecting the dangers of force can go a long way.
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Post by asiinja on Nov 16, 2010 20:08:04 GMT
Every syndrome comes with up and downsides, My mother used to work with less-valids ( I dont know how one is called in english but I am raised not to use "handicap" ) Gonna give an example;
Persons with autism or asperger very often are very inteligent. Persons with down syndrom have the abitlty to enjoy the goods and bads of life way more deep. (yes that is a gift in my opinion. )
I have seen do my dad crazy stuff with his instinct:
He just drives, he'll get there. Gotta smell the road he sais. Same when we hike in mountains or do mointain climbing. We'll get there, do'nt think. But he sometimes uses it to take hard descisions at work. He just sits back in his chair imagining he is a baby, then he decides, it's strange but it seems to work for him.
So I have been raised with the thing that I should use my primitive instinctive as mutch as possible.
And well natural selection is needed, those who are stronger ( doesnt matter, strong muscle, speed, strong mind or will) Those fit to strenghten their species will survive in a natural enviroment. You will not see danger when the person lurking at you is as giften in captating and hiding his energy within himself. Beleave me, no hocus pocus I am talking about. Recently I train activly at sensing other beings energy or consciousness, animals are unpossible for me though.
But I doubt it is something new to you guys to sense eachothers energy. But you have to be aware that in the past it was also used to kill or survive.
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Post by sammy on Nov 23, 2010 15:17:23 GMT
Every syndrome comes with up and downsides, My mother used to work with less-valids ( I dont know how one is called in english but I am raised not to use "handicap" ) Gonna give an example; Persons with autism or asperger very often are very inteligent. Persons with down syndrom have the abitlty to enjoy the goods and bads of life way more deep. (yes that is a gift in my opinion. ) I have seen do my dad crazy stuff with his instinct: He just drives, he'll get there. Gotta smell the road he sais. Same when we hike in mountains or do mointain climbing. We'll get there, do'nt think. But he sometimes uses it to take hard descisions at work. He just sits back in his chair imagining he is a baby, then he decides, it's strange but it seems to work for him. So I have been raised with the thing that I should use my primitive instinctive as mutch as possible. And well natural selection is needed, those who are stronger ( doesnt matter, strong muscle, speed, strong mind or will) Those fit to strenghten their species will survive in a natural enviroment. You will not see danger when the person lurking at you is as giften in captating and hiding his energy within himself. Beleave me, no hocus pocus I am talking about. Recently I train activly at sensing other beings energy or consciousness, animals are unpossible for me though. But I doubt it is something new to you guys to sense eachothers energy. But you have to be aware that in the past it was also used to kill or survive. Agreed with the downs syndrome gift, I have seen a love for life from them I could only dream to achieve. The reason and point of "God's one mind" is that the stronger can help the weak, and the weak can become the strong. Its all a growth thing... but more can be achieved with less obstruction, and right now were all standing in eachothers way. Im not sure the total reasons for the systems of government, but they all seem contradict eachother and thats just asking for trouble. Like with your father many people have a process of doing things, mostly they all help for the mind catching up to the reality of what it saw or thought. It spreads quickly because something works for someone and they pass it on when they see people in similair situations, to ease thier burden or suffering. Even odd as they might be the processes can relieve large amounts of mental and physical strain. For instance the "baby view" would be seeing the situation from a nuetral and fresh perspective, so it will save him from atatching the experience to the emotion.
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Post by rembrandt on Nov 24, 2010 15:37:06 GMT
There hasn't been one instance in which creationism has won out. There has not yet been one instance that I know of in which evolution has been debunked. I would be interested to see it if you have a line on that information. here is one: www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.htmlGoogle brings back hundreds upon hundreds of hits using "scientific proof that evolution is wrong" For the record, I lean towards Evolutionism, not Creationism. However, neither side has ever come up with 100% proof. Both views require faith in the unseen. Got a chance to start digging through and couldn't find the evidence, there was some argument but no evidence brought forth. Can you point me in the right direction?
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Post by sammy on Dec 12, 2010 16:50:49 GMT
In relation to creationism/evolutionism, there is also a third theory if you combine them. In the physical world was our "reality" or physical body with animal instincts, and in the spiritual world was consciousness (controlled electrical impulses in the brain).
In this respect the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve would have been the story of that merge. To rationalize the basis of this it could have been done to retain any knowledge that was being "saved", perhaps similair to our brain the "one mind" needs to be active or it loses the information. The information mentioned could either be from before Earth's time or even in our future since time is relative in space/energy terms.
One thing is for sure though, we all see what we want. This happens because what we look for defines our sight.
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Post by maximus on Dec 13, 2010 1:02:47 GMT
One thing is for sure though, we all see what we want. This happens because what we look for defines our sight. You can't always get what you want But if you try sometimes You just might find You get what you need. -The Rolling Stones
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