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Post by irishmason on Aug 26, 2010 9:16:30 GMT
A new lodge opened in Killarney, County Kerry, Ireland
See in the internet: Tricolour Masonic Lodge
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Post by KNOs1s on Aug 27, 2010 4:38:07 GMT
This site uses bablefish.com which places the site reader at risk to receive a virus: "Yahoo babelfish worm babelfish.yahoo.com/ appears to be infected with a worm/virus. if you use this as you're translation service, run a scan on your computer IMMEDIATELY! anyone with avast and the latest virus database should pick this up before it hits the computer. I need confirmation that this is true, as my computer can be jumpy at times." Just so folks are aware.
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Post by irishmason on Aug 27, 2010 9:22:38 GMT
i checked it, Babelfish has not worm or virus, the IT security and firewall of our company with highly sensible data is excellent and did not report any trouble.
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Post by KNOs1s on Aug 31, 2010 18:06:22 GMT
If your cabletow goes that far, brah-can you provide us with your name and that of your company? It would me much appreciated. To avoid pitfalls, it is useful that what is presented on the internet is verified with facts where possible. I did not mean that your site in particular had issues, and to my knowledge encountered none when I was there.
What I meant to say and I did say was that Babelfish.com itself has issues with virus/worms.
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Post by irishmason on Sept 3, 2010 8:21:24 GMT
KNOs1s, you may understand that the company I am working with would not appreciate that I publish the name here. Only so much it is a group with a turnover of over 6,000 Mio. Euros p.a. As i said due to the IT-security I could not find anything wrong with this small website, though I am aware of what you said that the Spanglefish might have problems.
Anyhow we will have a real good website on the www during September, which will be a proper one.
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Post by Leo on Sept 4, 2010 15:36:39 GMT
I have to admit it isn't anything I know about and in view of earlier comments I am unwilling to visit the site for fear of a virus attack.
What is the background to this lodge? Is it, for example, GLoI?
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Post by irishmason on Sept 9, 2010 10:12:26 GMT
The lodge will be consecrated in September by the Grand Orient de France. Two more lodges are following soon.
We have candidates to initiate ( one lady as well) but we will have an independent body, the Grand Orient of Ireland.
Lodge Tricolour is the most multicultural and multilingual lodge in Ireland.
You can get in contact with us and speak to us in English, French, Spanish, German, Polish and Arabic.
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Post by Leo on Sept 9, 2010 10:28:37 GMT
Good luck with that. The GOdF is a fine Masonic organisation and I have had the pleasure of along with my wife of visiting their HQ in Paris in 2008.
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Post by Leo on Sept 9, 2010 14:47:30 GMT
While we're on the subject, I had a look at the site at www.spanglefish.com/TricolourMasonicLodge and it appears to be working fine, no virus issues that I can ascertain. The site itself is rudimentary and basic, but nonetheless gets its message across.
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Post by KNOs1s on Sept 9, 2010 15:02:58 GMT
As stated before, Brother Leo, I did not see any issues with the site itself. I must admit, I am wary of individuals that do not offer a full name or a website that is self-referenced alone and cannot be confirmed outside of itself, yet perhaps that is my error. I also find a suggested site without a proffered link as odd. These remain my state of curiosity as to the origins of the suggested group; real or not. The internet has tons of fake sites, and it does not bode Masonry well that there remain scam artists. These scam artists can grow uninhibited if we do not retain a skeptical mind. It is fully within the rights of 'IrishMason' to remain anonymous, and I support that right. I can neither agree or disagree with unsupported information aside from the say-so of a website. 'IrishMason' does not have to give his name, and I reserve the right to be cautious in accepting him as being either Irish or a Mason. I hope there is no offense taken, 'IrishMason'. I am simply undecided on the matter, and would like the best information available before making a conclusion.
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Post by billmcelligott on Sept 9, 2010 16:13:43 GMT
It is run on the back of a web service www.spanglefish.com/if your interested message me and I will give you the details of the owners. it is a Limited Company. certainly not the way a Lodge site should be hosted, but that is just me. This is the style of site that is accepted under UGLE rules. you can see where you have to apply for a Charter which is placed on the site. www.merseylodge5434.org/run by a bloke called Mike Martin.
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Post by Leo on Sept 9, 2010 16:14:08 GMT
As stated before, Brother Leo, I did not see any issues with the site itself. I must admit, I am wary of individuals that do not offer a full name or a website that is self-referenced alone and cannot be confirmed outside of itself, yet perhaps that is my error. I also find a suggested site without a proffered link as odd. These remain my state of curiosity as to the origins of the suggested group; real or not. The internet has tons of fake sites, and it does not bode Masonry well that there remain scam artists. These scam artists can grow uninhibited if we do not retain a skeptical mind. It is fully within the rights of 'IrishMason' to remain anonymous, and I support that right. I can neither agree or disagree with unsupported information aside from the say-so of a website. 'IrishMason' does not have to give his name, and I reserve the right to be cautious in accepting him as being either Irish or a Mason. I hope there is no offense taken, 'IrishMason'. I am simply undecided on the matter, and would like the best information available before making a conclusion. In this we are agreed. Perhaps in due course we will learn more about the Lodge in question, but until then the wisest approach is always one of caution. Another thing, Irishmason states the lodge is to be consecrated by GOdF. I find this strange as Brothers/friends of mine from that organisation tell me they are not aware of any Lodge within the Irish Republic that are affiliated to them. The only Lodges that are, are those two from my own Obedience, LDH, but these are in the North of Ireland, some several hundred miles from Killarney. If Irishmason is willing to clarify things it would be very welcome.
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Post by billmcelligott on Sept 9, 2010 16:21:17 GMT
Are you sure its not a 1613 ?
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Post by Leo on Sept 9, 2010 16:23:19 GMT
Are you sure its not a 1613 ? Clarification would hopefully address any such questions.
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Post by billmcelligott on Sept 9, 2010 18:26:57 GMT
Are you sure its not a 1613 ? Clarification would hopefully address any such questions. No, I have no information other than the site owners.
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Post by Leo on Sept 9, 2010 20:13:48 GMT
I understand, but I was referring to clarification from Irishmason.
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Post by irishmason on Sept 14, 2010 8:10:43 GMT
Tricolour Lodge is a lodge founded by Irish Masons who are in disagreement with the management of Provincial Grand Lodge of Munster and the suspension of their lodge in a cloak and dagger action after a dispute of 25000 Euros of lodge money retransfered to PGL and most unfraternal attitude against brethren over a period of 10 years, of brethren who are no purebred Anglicans and have a more demanding view of masonry, namely proper instructions, lectures, transfer of masonic knowledge, which is badly neglected. Most of the brethren are not Irish and are coming from other constitutions in Europe. The lodge is the most multicultural, multilinguistic lodge in Ireland and you have no problem to converse or contact the lodge in English, French, Spanish, Polish, German and Arabic.
The lodge will work according to the principles of the GOdF and a second lodge is in foundation and beginning of 2011 a third one will be constituted.
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Post by irishmason on Sept 14, 2010 8:26:06 GMT
Not to cause any misunderstanding: The majority of brethren I met under the Irish constitution are very nice and respectable men, and Irish masonry has a very interesting and nice tradition. It is a pitty, but we tried 10 year plus to improve our lodge against fierce resistance and ignorance.
At the end of the day, it all comes back to leadership. Our fraternity is dying because our leaders have failed us, and they continue to fail us utterly! Most of them do not even understand Masonry. Grand Lodges mandate this and that and send out minions of deputies to inspect and punish any nonconformity with official dictates. Woe to any lodge that dares to try something new!
What we need to turn the tide is a new democratic organizational structure, one built on openness and inclusiveness. oung men today will not tolerate autocratic leaders, nor should they. Young men today will not tolerate stale anachronistic practices, nor should they. Young men today will simply not join lodges where the average member is 30 to 40 years older than they are, nor should they.
The world has changed and they have done nothing other than perpetuate their own selfish interests.
An ancient Chinese proverb states that a fish rots from the head down. The lesson is clear. If an organization fails, one need only look to those at the top to find the root cause for that failure.
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Post by KNOs1s on Sept 14, 2010 13:56:56 GMT
Sad to hear your claim that your leaders have failed you there, Irish. It's not the case everywhere, and hardly prolific in Masonry in my experience. The real point is to be your own leader so that leading by the nose is unnecessary. In our area, the most common new member is in the 20-35 age range. We appreciate the older brothers for their wisdom and learn much from them. A fish may often rot from the head down, but a fishhead without a body is hardly palatable to anyone. I sat with 5 GMs in Lodge Saturday, and all of them have proven to be effective Masons and leaders of men, and all have done their level best to accomplish what is asked of them from the brethren. The GL unfairly gets a bum rap sometimes, yet it is reasonable to recall that they are brethren too. Even young members 'have done nothing other than perpetuate their own selfish interests'. Look to yourself for an organizations root cause of success or failure. If you say 'I can't deal with the GL', does it truly show their failure, or yours? I have no basis to agree with you aside from your claim, and have heard nothing of the claimed interactions in Ireland. Indeed, I do not know if you are a Mason or even from Ireland. Heck, for all you've offered we do not even know that you're not from somewhere in the U.S. and your claims are false. While interesting to know, the ideas of the TRICOLOR lodge is nothing new and fairly unremarkable to my viewing. You have given no reason for us to believe you or to trust your word. Nothing is meant to be easy, but nothing is impossible to a true and honest Mason and perseverance. None of my friends or brothers in Ireland have mentioned nothing of what you claim. On that matter, you have yet to answer Leo's questions, of which many are extremely anxious to hear. It is odd Leo's acquaintances in the G.O. seem to know nothing of you or your lodge. Can you please just answer Leo's questions? Certainly, your cabletow will extend that far. All that is being requested is that you meet us on the level. Thus far, you have inexplicably seemed resistant. You can rectify that with an informative post, and please do so.
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Post by Leo on Sept 15, 2010 7:13:21 GMT
I was away for a few days but now back in the fold In any event, after further investigations and delving deeper into all of this I have learned that Irishmason and his Masonic colleagues are not in any way connected with a certain individual from the USA who conjures up lodges overnight. Others will draw their own conclusions regardless of what I say, but despite my initial reservations I now believe Irishmason to be genuine. It isn’t for me to reveal anymore about him, it is the right of everyone on this forum to maintain their anonymity should they so wish. I will simply state that he is a Brother who lives and works in Ireland and a former member of GLI [Grand Lodge of Ireland]. Irishmason may at some stage chose to reveal more about himself, but that will be his choice. I wish him and his colleagues the very best for their Masonic future in Killarney, Co. Kerry and hope to someday visit with them down there in that very beautiful part of Ireland.
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