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Post by maximus on Dec 21, 2010 19:32:04 GMT
See, I can post in pretty colors too. Maximus, posting using coordination of the kundalini color spectrum shows that you are in an advanced stage of EPD. If you notice that you "know" things from looking at them, then you have advanced to the final Endoteric Enlightenment stage. I'm pretty sure they have something for that. Perhaps Prophecy Juice (tm) might help. I need all the help I can get if I want to get to Vaj's level.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 21, 2010 21:00:16 GMT
Aww, sounds like someone is ticked off that I didn't fall to my knees in awe over his list of occult qualifications! >snicker<
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Post by maximus on Dec 21, 2010 23:28:15 GMT
Aww, sounds like someone is ticked off that I didn't fall to my knees in awe over his list of occult qualifications! >snicker< LOL, riiggghhhhttttt...
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Post by jayman on Dec 22, 2010 16:24:41 GMT
Aww, sounds like someone is ticked off that I didn't fall to my knees in awe over his list of occult qualifications! >snicker< Seems to me like it is quite the opposite. You want everyone here to bow to the greatness that is turning an "11" on it's side to make some asinine point. No personal attacks
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 23, 2010 1:31:12 GMT
No personal attacks
Actually, I was simply making a little OBSERVATION; of course, if YOU were the one who had made it, your ego would likely blow up like a TOAD at your cleverness! Funny how little ol' ME has managed to get a whole lot of undies in a knot over a few little remarks, eh?
Actually, I am NOT on the least impressed with OTO, and never was. I have not been able to find anything that lessens credibility on any esoteric board as announcing that one is a memeber of OTO! After reading Francis King's book, it's NO WONDER.>shakes head< I did learn a lot of things, though, like finding out about the "93" current and that I had been on it at least 10 years PRIOR to my "Minerval". And reading Crowley (something I did not do prior to OTO) taught me a LOT. There are precious few adepts who have done the sort of independent research Crowley did, and then shared it, so whatever one may think of him personally, his works and his autohagiography can be read by the esoteric aspirant with great profit!
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 23, 2010 3:33:35 GMT
OK , now consider this a public warning
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 23, 2010 3:34:31 GMT
You are right, to understand Sufism one must actually be a Sufi. That of course means that one would have to actually be initiated in the path instead of reading books about it. There are those that have read about it and those that have spent years in the company of a true master learning not only the philosophy but the practices that would explain qarael. Do you know, I just realized that "qarael" is quite likely the word that is behind the etymology of "CAROL"...as in Christmas "CAROL". Skeat's gives the etymology as Old French 'caroler" "a singing dance", but that makes it even MORE likely that it was derived from 'qarael" because it is apparently a Hispano-Moorish word and NOT Arabic...After all, France is VERY close to Spain , and there was an exodus of "Moors" from Spain, after they were kicked out in the 1400s.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 23, 2010 4:42:13 GMT
I am well versed. I am well versed enough to not mire myself in pointless speculation so that I can spend my time in the work.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 23, 2010 5:53:58 GMT
>raises eyebrows<Oh, so is THAT why you are here talking to me? So as not to mire yourself in "pointless" speculation? Just because YOU can't see the point doesn't mean there ISN'T one...
Do you recall the legend of Moses asking to follow Khidr, and Khidr telling him that he would not be able to do so, because he did not understand what one may be called upon to do for the sake of God?
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Post by jayman on Dec 23, 2010 14:48:04 GMT
No personal attacks Actually, I was simply making a little OBSERVATION; of course, if YOU were the one who had made it, your ego would likely blow up like a TOAD at your cleverness! Funny how little ol' ME has managed to get a whole lot of undies in a knot over a few little remarks, eh? You assume too much. Unlike those that have been tossed out of the OTO, masons share knowledge with each other without attitude or ego.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2010 3:33:41 GMT
Funny, after reading YOUR posts, you could have fooled ME. And, I wasn't even 'talking' to YOU; YOU just barged in here with YOUR attitude problem!
But. Brother Bill has asked that there be "no personal attacks". So, please take YOUR attitude problem ELSEWHERE.
In other news of the day, if Freemasons wish to gain greater understanding of their tradition, they would do well to take up the study of Hermetic Qabalah; it would explain and make clear a VERY great deal of Masonic symbolism, particularly that of the Holy Royal Arch. The Qabalah is the very KEY that is wanting...
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Post by jayman on Dec 24, 2010 17:34:02 GMT
Funny, after reading YOUR posts, you could have fooled ME. And, I wasn't even 'talking' to YOU; YOU just barged in here with YOUR attitude problem! But. Brother Bill has asked that there be "no personal attacks". So, please take YOUR attitude problem ELSEWHERE. In other news of the day, if Freemasons wish to gain greater understanding of their tradition, they would do well to take up the study of Hermetic Qabalah; it would explain and make clear a VERY great deal of Masonic symbolism, particularly that of the Holy Royal Arch. The Qabalah is the very KEY that is wanting... You make it sound like Qabbalah predates Masonry. Now, as far as being in the conversation, this is an internet forum. Anyone can chime in. If this is a private conversation between you and another, take it to PM. On a forum, once you post openly, you lose all rights to limiting whom may participate. Didn't they teach you this in the OTO?
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2010 19:54:23 GMT
>shrugs, Well hey, then, I will leave you to it; anyone who knows anything about Crowley or OTO will be able to see for themself the quality (or lack thereof) of your particular contributions; no need for ME to say anything!
Crowley himself states plainly ("The Confessions" Ch. 72) that the Holy Royal Arch Rite is based on Qabalah. I didn't even need to read this to figure that out; I saw it for myself almost at once when I saw the HRA Tracing Board and read of the Rite in Knight and Lomas' books. Crowley's statement CONFIRMED what I had already discovered for myself. Of course this was after I had number of years of meditation on the Tree under my belt!
The great composite symbol that is the Tree of Life was, no doubt, the mysterious pattern engraved on that tablet that the candidate must retrieve from beneath the Temple and return to the Sanhedrin. Anyone who has properly learned their Qabalah knows that the TOL will reveal its symbolism when meditated upon, even in the absence of any written data. Thos who have NOT done so will be UNAWARE of this fact, and thus a large part of the significance of the tablet retrieved from under the Temple will remain obscure.
I in fact expounded on this very subject on Stephen Dafoe's site; it is possible that if one "searches' my"screen name"on his site , you may unearth my essay on the "Word" of the Holy Royal Arch.
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Post by hyperion on Dec 25, 2010 6:00:44 GMT
Qabalah does predate Masonry.
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Post by maximus on Dec 26, 2010 2:19:51 GMT
Qabalah does predate Masonry. Or does it? (in it's currently recognized form)
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 26, 2010 2:52:17 GMT
The fact that Qabalah is the science of the emblem engraved on the tablet brought up from the ruins of the Temple would surely suggest they have a common history. If I was asked my opinion, I would say that Freemasonry was a way of introducing men to "morality and ethics", and from these who did well and showed an aptitude for numbers, the ones who were in possession of "the knowledge passed from mouth to ear"would select suitable candidates to "taste the fruits of the Tree of Life", and thus "live forever". One dare not introduce such Mysteries to those without a strong moral and ethical character; in fact, I understand that no man under the age of 40, who was not married with at least one child, could undertake the study of the Jewish Qabalah.
In fact, Qabalah is a "Western Tantric" method; I myself found that once I understood the fundamentals of Qabalah there was no problem whatever understanding Hindu Tantric theology. I don't know if there is any such thing as a "Sanskrit Qabalah"; Sanskrit has fifty letters to its alphabet as opposed to the Hebrew 22 or the Arabic 28, so it would surely be unimaginably more complex and subtle!
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Post by hyperion on Dec 26, 2010 17:15:27 GMT
Qabalah does predate Masonry. Or does it? (in it's currently recognized form) There are many recognized forms. At least recognized by those who need it to be. Now, in speaking for myself I have always found deep Qabalistic components of Masonic cosmology. So, I'm fairly certain we have Qabalah as a Masonic foundation so that would suggest Qabalah does in fact predate what we know as Freemasonry. Then again, I'm an MBA, not Theologian or occult historian
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 27, 2010 4:33:51 GMT
Idries Shah states that the original TOL had EIGHT Sephiroth and this was changed to TEN by a Jewish Qabalist (he does not say who) in the tenth century. I have no trouble believing the part about eight Sephiroth originally; there are strong parallels between Arabic magick and that of Taoism, which suggests one is the ancestor of the other...This being so, the original Tree would have been based on the Pa Kua, or Eight Trigrams.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 27, 2010 5:50:57 GMT
Even though a person can meditate on a subject they should attempt to learn something about Pakua and the other internal systems before they show a remarkable amount of ignorance by connecting their claims to other systems of work while having no knowledge of those systems.
I meditated on this and I KNOW that I am right.
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Post by jayman on Dec 27, 2010 14:04:46 GMT
Idries Shah states that the original TOL had EIGHT Sephiroth and this was changed to TEN by a Jewish Qabalist (he does not say who) in the tenth century. I have no trouble believing the part about eight Sephiroth originally; there are strong parallels between Arabic magick and that of Taoism, which suggests one is the ancestor of the other...This being so, the original Tree would have been based on the Pa Kua, or Eight Trigrams. yeah, but the metric system kicks ass.
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