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Post by Leo on Nov 11, 2010 23:03:06 GMT
Others will answer this question better, but my understanding of KTs is that for certain GLs, such as UGLE one must be a Christian and have gone through various other side, or as they are sometimes called higher degrees.
Other GLs may have a different approach.
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Post by aogop on Nov 12, 2010 6:54:46 GMT
In the US, the KT degree is part of the York Rite. In short, once a person becomes a Master Mason, there are other organizations they can join if they so desire. One group is the York Rite, which consists of the Royal Arch, Cryptic, and Knights Templar Degrees. Joining a group like this does not mean you are more important, or have a higher status than a Master Mason who decides not to join, it only means that the person gets a further insight into various backgrounds of Freemasonry. A great Youtube video on the YR can be found here www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwdP2Cf_knAOne of the main parts of joining a local KT Commandery is that one must pledge to defend the Christian faith. Having said all this, there is really no absolute proof that the current Knights Templar in the York Rite have a direct connection to the Templars of old. I can link some books regarding this if you are interested.
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Post by sid on Nov 12, 2010 14:27:05 GMT
As some may already have seen in my introduction I am a guy of the age of 19 and I am interested in freemasonry and in actualy joining. Another thing is that I am highly intriged with the Knight Templars, I have quit recently heared that they also still have quit knowledgable roots in freemasonry. But I have heard that it is not the easiest path to take to actualy be able to join such a "lodge" I live in belgium and this all bee said I would like to know how I could " theoreticly " join such knight templars? I have already heard that it requires to have certain degrees in certain lodges, so if anyone could clear this all out, I would realy apreciate it. Thanks all for your time! Here are 3 good books that may be of some help and interest to you: www.phoenixmasonry.org/born_in_blood_by_john_robinson.htmwww.amazon.com/Dungeon-Fire-Sword-Knights-Crusades/dp/0871316579and the book by Peter Partner: The Knights Templar and Their Myth [Paperback]
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Post by auratorium on Nov 12, 2010 14:58:01 GMT
the masonic order "Knights Templar" has zero to do with the military order of the Crusades.
Bunch of old fat men playing with dull swords does not make a military order.
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Post by hyperion on Nov 13, 2010 4:03:26 GMT
There is a group called the Sovereign Order of the Knights Templar USA. They are not connected to mainstream American Freemasonry but their ritual work is top notch.
I was a guest of theirs at a instalment in Louisiana. To this day some of the most impressive work I have ever seen.
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Post by jayman on Nov 13, 2010 20:20:42 GMT
the masonic order "Knights Templar" has zero to do with the military order of the Crusades. Bunch of old fat men playing with dull swords does not make a military order. You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. As someone who is not even a mason, why don't you elaborate for the forum just how much you know. Why don't you, as a non-mason, educate the masons here on what their orders are all about. Apparently you, as a non-mason, have a clue where others here, namely masons, do not.
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Post by jayman on Nov 15, 2010 15:24:16 GMT
As someone who is not even a mason, why don't you elaborate for the forum just how much you know. Why don't you, as a non-mason, educate the masons here on what their orders are all about. Apparently you, as a non-mason, have a clue where others here, namely masons, do not. Oh well uhm i find this quite typical. Does one have to be a freemason to "understand" ? Do you judge people on wether they are a freemason or not? Do you realy put so many matter in knowledge? I will talk with you if you are open for my opinion. With all due respect, one does NOT need to be a freemason to be educated. But a non-mason certainly has NO idea the type of people that gather in meetings of various orders. It is a closed door meeting. You have no idea who meets in these rooms when the doors are shut. A Mason does. So if your opinion is that a non-mason knows more about the attendees of a masonic meeting than a mason does, then I am not interested in your opinion. How can you know more about whom attends these meetings than one who attends them? As with the above statement you questioned, I agree that the Masonic Knights Templar do not have much to do with the order that was active during the Crusades. It's just another masonic body.
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Post by jayman on Nov 15, 2010 20:56:13 GMT
Shush, templars have nothing directly to do with freemasonship. There are lodges that directly follow their habits "sortof" as they used to but as far as it comes to to knowledge as Templarism used to be U should not try to discus with me like that. Templars have nothing to do with Knight crusaders?? WuthaaN? Who slaught the deffenders of the grave? Who tracked and defeated the assasseinans? Who defended the grave afterwards? Who guided pelgrims and cruisaders towards the cities? Who afterwards found the other testaments? Templars have nothing to do with Knight crusaders?? Comon, you must be joking right? Do you even searched things up before you replied? Why am I even putting valuable energy in such trolls anyway ... the modern MASONIC knights templar have zero in relation to the Crusader knights with the exception of a name. A Knight Templar in the year 2010 is NOT the same as a Knight Templar from the 12th and 13th centuries.
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Post by jayman on Nov 15, 2010 21:16:35 GMT
You just totaly misunderstood us and where total of topic. The knight templars have nothing to do with the military crusaders. How am I suposed to know that you are talking about anno today? And I don't even knows so sure. A KT swears in some lodges to defend christianity with his own hearth. This could infact mean that if a muslim where to blow up a church he would smoke him. Theoretical ofcource. In your first post, you ask about joining the Masonic Knights Templar and I am informing you that they are not the same as the knightly order that fought in the Crusades. You will be very disappointed to join this order if you think they are similar, because they are not. We also do not "smoke" anyone for any reason as this is a violation of the first degree obligation. The very first obligation you swear when you join freemasonry.
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Post by jayman on Nov 15, 2010 22:00:35 GMT
You took that serious? Well no I was saying I was very interested in the Knight Templars and I wanted to know what the masonic order was about. I might be dissapointed, you do not even know what I am looking for. You might want to listen before you speak, or read in this case. On that note...
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Post by asiinja on Nov 16, 2010 9:25:42 GMT
Sad ...
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Post by jayman on Nov 16, 2010 13:50:11 GMT
yes you are. You need to learn young man that when you ask a question, you do not turn around and attack those that are willing to give you an answer. removed not appropriate comment
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 16, 2010 15:22:12 GMT
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Post by asiinja on Nov 16, 2010 15:35:05 GMT
Thanks alot, reading this atm.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 20, 2010 6:11:10 GMT
There is no question in my mind that the Order of the Knights Templar is alive and well on the astral. I have had encounters with it. That being so, it is the next logical step in reasoning is to assume that they also must exist in actuality on the material plane.
It is also logical that they would be associated with the Builders of the Temple; after all, one cannot be ordained a Guardian of a Temple that has not been built and established!
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Post by asiinja on Nov 20, 2010 19:33:13 GMT
There is no question in my mind that the Order of the Knights Templar is alive and well on the astral. I have had encounters with it. That being so, it is the next logical step in reasoning is to assume that they also must exist in actuality on the material plane. It is also logical that they would be associated with the Builders of the Temple; after all, one cannot be ordained a Guardian of a Temple that has not been built and established! True, I have strangely mutch respect for the Knight Templars, I have my own reason for it.
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Post by maximus on Nov 21, 2010 17:47:23 GMT
There is no question in my mind that the Order of the Knights Templar is alive and well on the astral. I have had encounters with it. That being so, it is the next logical step in reasoning is to assume that they also must exist in actuality on the material plane. It is also logical that they would be associated with the Builders of the Temple; after all, one cannot be ordained a Guardian of a Temple that has not been built and established! A lot of things exist on the astral, mostly nonsense we are better off ignoring. The fact is that the Order of the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon ceased to exist, in that form, after the arrests and trials by Philip IV in 1307. The remaining Knights joined other orders or moved to Portugal where they reformed under a different name. Any connection to the original Templars claimed by any group today is likely romantic nonsense.
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Post by asiinja on Nov 21, 2010 18:24:58 GMT
There is no question in my mind that the Order of the Knights Templar is alive and well on the astral. I have had encounters with it. That being so, it is the next logical step in reasoning is to assume that they also must exist in actuality on the material plane. It is also logical that they would be associated with the Builders of the Temple; after all, one cannot be ordained a Guardian of a Temple that has not been built and established! A lot of things exist on the astral, mostly nonsense we are better off ignoring. The fact is that the Order of the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon ceased to exist, in that form, after the arrests and trials by Philip IV in 1307. The remaining Knights joined other orders or moved to Portugal where they reformed under a different name. Any connection to the original Templars claimed by any group today is likely romantic nonsense. If that is what you beleave, there is at least as mutch things that prove the contrary.
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Post by maximus on Nov 21, 2010 18:32:41 GMT
A lot of things exist on the astral, mostly nonsense we are better off ignoring. The fact is that the Order of the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon ceased to exist, in that form, after the arrests and trials by Philip IV in 1307. The remaining Knights joined other orders or moved to Portugal where they reformed under a different name. Any connection to the original Templars claimed by any group today is likely romantic nonsense. If that is what you beleave, there is at least as mutch things that prove the contrary. Not what I "believe", which implies faith but what I know, which relies on fact. I was a history major in college. Most of what passes for "fact" on the 'net is speculation and nonsense. We know full well from documentation what happened to the order after it's dissolution. Read Tobias Churton and other scholars in the field, rather than people such as Knight and Lomas who are mere speculators. There is a reason that we are encouraged to a study of the Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences as Masons (and I realize you are not), and that is to give us a thorough grounding in reality, before we turn our attention to areas of speculation or esotericism.
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Post by maximus on Nov 21, 2010 23:11:15 GMT
Not what I "believe", which implies faith but what I know, which relies on fact. I was a history major in college. Most of what passes for "fact" on the 'net is speculation and nonsense. We know full well from documentation what happened to the order after it's dissolution. Read Tobias Churton and other scholars in the field, rather than people such as Knight and Lomas who are mere speculators. There is a reason that we are encouraged to a study of the Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences as Masons (and I realize you are not), and that is to give us a thorough grounding in reality, before we turn our attention to areas of speculation or esotericism. Your words seem so sensless when I remind you of the fact that you create reality yourself my brother Existence (or reality) is a self-sufficient primary. It is not a product of a supernatural dimension, or of anything else. There is nothing antecedent to existence, nothing apart from it—and no alternative to it. Existence exists—and only existence exists. Its existence and its nature are irreducible and unalterable.
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