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Post by jayman on Dec 22, 2010 0:17:18 GMT
After reading the account of how the original Knights Templar spent NINE YEARS digging through eighty feet of solid rock to get to the vaults of the Temple, I couldn't help but be convinced that there had surely been some sort of 'family legacy' among the descendants of the Temple priesthood who decamped to Europe prior to the fall of the Temple in 70 AD, that handed down from father to son the knowledge of the treasure hidden away in the Temple vaults, rather like in the Sherlock Holmes story "The Musgrave Ritual". I drew this conclusion mainly because people don't generally travel to hot deserty countries to burrow with crude handheld tools down through eighty feet of rock on the off chance they might find something of value! Those first Templars obviously had a more-or-less clear agenda of what they were looking for! I say 'more-or-less' because the information was bound to have gotten a little scrambled after being passed on from generation to generation for over a THOUSAND years! uh... how about the Jews that left during the Roman sack of Jeruselem and settled in the Langudoc region of France. Maybe read some Stephen Dafoe, as recommended earlier in this thread. Your "suspicions" have long been talked about by Templar scholars.
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Post by jayman on Dec 22, 2010 0:18:21 GMT
I do appreciate it though you spelt color wrong. noo doot aboot it, eh? Maybe my toque is on too tight. Thank goodness I have high-speed net access in the igloo.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 22, 2010 0:44:34 GMT
Watch out for the polar bears. I hear they have nasty tempers.
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Post by sid on Dec 22, 2010 12:03:17 GMT
I do appreciate it though you spelt color wrong. Color is the US spelling. Colour (UK) Like specialise (UK) and specialize (US)
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 22, 2010 15:30:14 GMT
I think "joke" is spelled the same in both versions of English.
We were just busting chops for a moment.
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Post by jayman on Dec 22, 2010 16:25:41 GMT
I think "joke" is spelled the same in both versions of English. We were just busting chops for a moment. You aren't fooling anyone Rembrandt. We all know of the deep seated hatred you have for Canadians.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 22, 2010 16:51:57 GMT
Quiet you, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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Post by maximus on Dec 22, 2010 17:24:48 GMT
Back to your igloos, hosers! And take your frigid air with you. I know your plan, you're trying to freeze the South so your hockey thugs can skate down here and invade.
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Post by maximus on Dec 22, 2010 17:26:13 GMT
uh... how about the Jews that left during the Roman sack of Jeruselem and settled in the Langudoc region of France. Maybe read some Stephen Dafoe, as recommended earlier in this thread. Your "suspicions" have long been talked about by Templar scholars. Real research is too hard.
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Post by jayman on Dec 22, 2010 20:47:39 GMT
uh... how about the Jews that left during the Roman sack of Jeruselem and settled in the Langudoc region of France. Maybe read some Stephen Dafoe, as recommended earlier in this thread. Your "suspicions" have long been talked about by Templar scholars. Real research is too hard. I first read about the Templars in "Tiger Beat" That's hardcore research.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 22, 2010 21:31:50 GMT
Is Tiger Beat a peer-reviewed journal? BTW, I just knew that you had a subscription.
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Post by jayman on Dec 23, 2010 0:58:25 GMT
Is Tiger Beat a peer-reviewed journal? BTW, I just knew that you had a subscription. I was the biggest NKOTB fan back in the day.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 23, 2010 1:45:07 GMT
After reading the account of how the original Knights Templar spent NINE YEARS digging through eighty feet of solid rock to get to the vaults of the Temple, I couldn't help but be convinced that there had surely been some sort of 'family legacy' among the descendants of the Temple priesthood who decamped to Europe prior to the fall of the Temple in 70 AD, that handed down from father to son the knowledge of the treasure hidden away in the Temple vaults, rather like in the Sherlock Holmes story "The Musgrave Ritual". I drew this conclusion mainly because people don't generally travel to hot deserty countries to burrow with crude handheld tools down through eighty feet of rock on the off chance they might find something of value! Those first Templars obviously had a more-or-less clear agenda of what they were looking for! I say 'more-or-less' because the information was bound to have gotten a little scrambled after being passed on from generation to generation for over a THOUSAND years! uh... how about the Jews that left during the Roman sack of Jeruselem and settled in the Langudoc region of France. How about them? Uh, what race, exactly do you suppose the (JEWISH) Temple priesthood were descended from? Maybe read some Stephen Dafoe, as recommended earlier in this thread. Maybe I should! Your "suspicions" have long been talked about by Templar scholars. Oh? Where? Funny, I ve done my share of research and never come across any scholarly discussion as to how, exactly, Hugues de Payens and Co. were able to KNOW for certain that there was treasure in the Temple vaults!
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 23, 2010 2:06:49 GMT
Why would it have to be a "family legacy?" There is no reason that it would have to be. There is some fun speculation, you are not the first to play with the idea, but there is nothing that approaches making the fancy story true. It would be a "family' thing because back in the day people (especially the Jews) took things like "religion' VERY SERIOUSLY.
There is NO WAY that Temple priesthood would SHARE that sort of "insider" information with non-Jews or even other Jews who were non-Temple priesthood, plus, don't forget, Jewish priesthood was EXPECTED to get married and have LARGE FAMILIES. So, the chances of such info getting leaked to "outside Jews" or non-Jews would be unlikely; it was pretty certain that the information about the Temple vaults would STAY "in the family" The interesting thing is people have been traveling to hot dusty climates for a number of reasons that be totally bland and boring to you or I. There is no reason to attach further significance to it. I disagree. The trouble with modern-day thinkers is they fail to realize that travel wasn't always done on airplanes and trains, with food service and washrooms!
Going to faraway places "back when" was a MUCH bigger deal than it is NOW, in case you have forgotten... People didn't LIKE to go away from home; they mostly only did so for BUSINESS or RELIGIOUS reasons. As we know, those first Templars did so for "religious" reasons: "to make the roads safe for pilgrims". But NINE knights weren't going to be able to do much for the safety of the pilgrims; it was obviously a pretext, right? If they had said 'We are going to Jerusalem to retrieve the treasure that we KNOW is in the vaults of the Temple", that would have cacked their mission RIGHT THERE, as hordes of treasure-seekers would have followed them!
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 23, 2010 4:58:17 GMT
The problem is my lady is that you seem to have started with an idea and progressed to "data mining" to support your idea and have rejected any opinions of evidence to the contrary. This is unfortunate because I believe it is stunting your progress. Of course you will be bothered by this and will respond with something in caps or in a fancy color. No matter. You have spoken to me of things that I know a great deal about and have decided that your meditations are superior to my experience and that of the several masters in the world that disagree with your visions.
You have read some rituals, many here have experienced them and have properly received those initiations. You have some visions or meditations but others on this forum actually live the path instead of read about it. I have attempted to assist you but you do not wish to receive any assistance.
I am finished with you ma'am. There is nothing that you have to say that could possibly be of import to me or would be worth my time to consider as more than tissue paper. Your hostility to others who won't feed your ego or support your preconceived notions is the reason I have made this decision. When you are able to deal with people as an adult and have challenged your pet ideas without reducing yourself to quartz crystal gazing nonsense. Feel free to post a venomous response, I will not respond.
Your juvenile ideas have been discredited many moons ago by serious researchers who actually took the time to do the work (hint, they didn't sit around and meditate, they actually worked on it). At times what they found that was verifiable was contrary to their personal ideas. They were adult enough to accept it and move forward with the new knowledge to clarify their work, they have been the better for it.
So freak out, post something in all caps because that will make people take you seriously. Run back to posting about sex magic and how great you are. I will get a stick and scrap it out of the waffle of my boot.
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Post by jayman on Dec 23, 2010 12:52:20 GMT
After reading the account of how the original Knights Templar spent NINE YEARS digging through eighty feet of solid rock to get to the vaults of the Temple, I couldn't help but be convinced that there had surely been some sort of 'family legacy' among the descendants of the Temple priesthood who decamped to Europe prior to the fall of the Temple in 70 AD, that handed down from father to son the knowledge of the treasure hidden away in the Temple vaults, rather like in the Sherlock Holmes story "The Musgrave Ritual". I drew this conclusion mainly because people don't generally travel to hot deserty countries to burrow with crude handheld tools down through eighty feet of rock on the off chance they might find something of value! Those first Templars obviously had a more-or-less clear agenda of what they were looking for! I say 'more-or-less' because the information was bound to have gotten a little scrambled after being passed on from generation to generation for over a THOUSAND years! uh... how about the Jews that left during the Roman sack of Jeruselem and settled in the Langudoc region of France. How about them? Uh, what race, exactly do you suppose the (JEWISH) Temple priesthood were descended from? Maybe read some Stephen Dafoe, as recommended earlier in this thread. Maybe I should! Your "suspicions" have long been talked about by Templar scholars. Oh? Where? Funny, I ve done my share of research and never come across any scholarly discussion as to how, exactly, Hugues de Payens and Co. were able to KNOW for certain that there was treasure in the Temple vaults!Let me help you connect some dots because you are missing it. Firstly, the ethnicity/race of the Jews is irrelevant. The Jews leave when the Romans sack thr city. Some, arrive in the Langudoc region. There they live, create families and maintain their history in the typical mouth-to-ear tradition. Along the way, a new way of thinking sprouts up. The Gnostics/Cathars. As with the Irish (where Jews also settled) prior to the Council of Whitby, are practicing a form of Essene inspired Christianity that is closer to what was actually said than the Pauline version of what Yehoshua said. From this school of belief sprang Bernard of Clairveaux and the Templars. These people were all interrelated and traced lineage back to those Jewish immigrants of 1000 years earlier. How did they come to be in possession of these secrets? Well isn't it obvious? The story was passed down through the generations. Specifics were obviously lost because it took the Templars 9 years of digging to find the "treasure" Pretty simple, isn't it?
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2010 3:50:37 GMT
Funny, I do believe that's exactly what I just SAID: The Jewish priesthood stashed their Temple treasures in the vaults deep below the Temple and LEFT Jerusalem when they saw that the s. was about to hit the f. between the Romans and the Jews, and eventually settled in France. They passed the secret of the Temple treasure down through the generations, until it was possible for some of their descendants to make their way BACK to Jerusalem in 1118 to reclaim the treasure left behind by their ANCESTORS in 70 AD. It took nine years to do so because they had EIGHTY FEET of SOLID ROCK to dig down through, and they had to do the whole thing on the down-low, and with only HAND TOOLS.
The business about the Cathars/ Gnostics is IRRELEVANT to this theory. It was, after all, nearly a THOUSAND YEARS LATER. It is interesting that the leader of these early Templars was Hugues de Payens : "Hugh of the PAGANS"
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2010 3:54:28 GMT
They were looking for the orgone machinery hidden under the temple. All of these temples have them: the pyramids, Solomon's temple, and even the earthworks mounds. There are hidden secret chambers underneath, where ancient alchemists collected the orgone gas. This is an ancient and still forbidden technology. For alchemist Bernard of Clairveaux to know exactly where to look isn't all that exciting. Actually, it would more likely be RADON gas that they would collect, not "orgone". Funny, I have never heard of Bernard of Clairvaux referred to as an 'alchemist", and I LIVE with an alchemist who was trained by the Benedictines in France, in fact! (Bernard of Clairvaux was a Benedictine)
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 24, 2010 8:02:00 GMT
to be honest the underground or some times sunken room , either within a Temple structure or adjacent to it, start with a simple practical purpose.
Lets take rosslyn as an example, the anti room or small annex room [ you see this in the film Da Vinci Code, where they decend to the underground room, actually there is no trap door, its just a small room] these rooms were where the builders made templates and created the component parts for the Temples.
Let say you want 30 windows, each the same design and the same size, the simplest way to make them is to scribe an outline on the workroom floor or wall and you have a basic template, you make the window, you have the minimum work to move and hoist the window into position. Simples
So visit Rosslyn and have a look , check out the walls and you will see the outline of the Windows on the wall of that annex room. no Magic, just practical thinking.
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Post by sid on Dec 24, 2010 11:18:57 GMT
to be honest the underground or some times sunken room , either within a Temple structure or adjacent to it, start with a simple practical purpose. Lets take rosslyn as an example, the anti room or small annex room [ you see this in the film Da Vinci Code, where they decend to the underground room, actually there is no trap door, its just a small room] these rooms were where the builders made templates and created the component parts for the Temples. Let say you want 30 windows, each the same design and the same size, the simplest way to make them is to scribe an outline on the workroom floor or wall and you have a basic template, you make the window, you have the minimum work to move and hoist the window into position. Simples So visit Rosslyn and have a look , check out the walls and you will see the outline of the Windows on the wall of that annex room. no Magic, just practical thinking. John gave us a 4 1/2 hour guided tour of the Chapel. The 3 small rooms under the Chapel are much older than the Chapel itself, and interestingly the large fireplace is in the South
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