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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 24, 2010 15:11:52 GMT
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Post by jayman on Dec 24, 2010 16:36:43 GMT
The 3 small rooms under the Chapel are much older than the Chapel itself, and interestingly the large fireplace is in the South That is quite interesting.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2010 20:00:07 GMT
Well, apparently radon is a gaseous emanation of RADIUM, and radium is the product of the breakdown of URANIUM, and as all of these were discovered relatively RECENTLY (mid 1800s by Henri Becquerel) it is unlikely that these substances were assigned any "alchemical symbolism". But I could be WRONG; if they do in fact exist I would like to see them!
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2010 20:04:41 GMT
Actually, after thinking about it, I see what you are getting at about the Cathars/Gnostics... Yes, I could easily see that; it is only LOGICAL that the 'tendencies" of the Temple priesthood would have a major influence on later spiritual developments in that area! Just like the wave of Moors/Sufis that departed Spain in the 1400s would have influenced spiritual development in Europe; Idries Shah talks about these things in his book "The Sufis". Anyone here with Wiccan background >cough-cough< will surely find what he has to say about "witchcraft" traditions VERY interesting!
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Post by sid on Dec 25, 2010 23:37:12 GMT
The 3 small rooms under the Chapel are much older than the Chapel itself, and interestingly the large fireplace is in the South That is quite interesting. see pages 22 & 24 www.scribd.com/doc/18592601/Rosslyn-Chapel
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 26, 2010 3:10:37 GMT
Before I got booted off Stephen Dafoe's site for baiting his moderator ("The Revealer"), I managed to talk to someone there who claimed to be the custodian or apprentice to the custodian of Rosslyn. I wanted to ask him questions about what Knight and Lomas had to say about Rosslyn in their book "The Hiram Key". he mostly poo-pooed it all, but at one point let slip the tidbit that Freemasons had purchased Rosslyn in the mid 1850s and were the ones who began restoring it.
I received this most revealing tidbit of information right around the same time I was reading Manly P.Hall's Secret Teachings of All Ages", and had learned that 1888 was supposed to be the turning point of the Aeons,(from Pisces to Aquarius) and that the Archangel Michael was the Lord of the Aeon.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reason those Masons had been restoring Rosslyn was to have a place ready to "receive" such an influx of energy...the steps to the lower chamber of Rosslyn suggests that some sort of initiatory ritual was done there, since they were exceedingly worn-and all this wear could only have taken place fairly recently, since the steps are of soft sandstone. It is an interesting fact that , sure enough, the name of the Zodiacal Angel of the last decan of Aquarius is MICHAEL.
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Post by maximus on Dec 26, 2010 21:48:21 GMT
Before I got booted off Stephen Dafoe's site for baiting his moderator ("The Revealer") Just couldn't imagine that would happen.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 26, 2010 23:30:59 GMT
I imagine there are a LOT of things that particular mental deficiency of yours would extend to... the corollary to that story is that SHE got booted HERSELF within the year for harassing other posters the very same way she harassed me! What goes around comes around, as any Wiccan should know...
In any case, the fact that Freemasons restored Rosslyn and, most likely, used it for some sort of ritual activity back in the late 1800s during the transition between Aeons would certainly go a LONG way towards supporting the contention that there is a "secret' Order that is/was connected with Rosslyn Chapel, and that maybe Dan Brown wasn't so far off the mark! I also read somewhere that there are a series of religious edifices that are connected with the planets: St.John of Compostela-the Moon, Chartres-Venus, Notre Dame in Paris - Mars, and Rosslyn- Saturn. Can't remember what the others were! But if Rosslyn is connected with Saturn, that ALSO connects it with the current of energy associated with the BLACK VIRGIN.
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Post by maximus on Dec 27, 2010 5:20:47 GMT
I imagine there are a LOT of things that particular mental deficiency of yours would extend to... This is a personal attack to which I will not be baited into responding. If only you were on my own forum...
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 27, 2010 5:43:40 GMT
But I'm NOT, unfortunately for YOU, eh?.
Another thing that I feel has been overlooked by scholars is the fact that Jacques de Molay spent the last thirty-odd years of his life living on the island of Cyprus. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Cyprus a place strongly connected with the worship of APHRODITE?
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 27, 2010 5:55:32 GMT
I have an etch-a-sketch, I can make all of the random and unfounded connections that anyone else can. On the other hand I can actually be involved and work within these various traditions and know when someone is speaking from "the left hand of the damned" and not from any personal information or personal knowledge. Please, by all means, meditate on this. I already did and the arch angels told me that you were wrong. Disprove that.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 27, 2010 14:50:45 GMT
I have locked this thread, if you wish to see this thread re open then I want to see a lot more respect for each other.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 28, 2010 3:18:25 GMT
Unlocked , but will wait and see what happens,
this forum is for everyone not a personal playground for any one or two or three.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 28, 2010 4:03:02 GMT
Well, poeople are invited to contribute as long as they can make it about the Knights Templar; remember a key phrase of "Foucault's Pendulum" was 'The Knights Templar have something to do with everything".
I do believe the subject of Sufi was raised and its principal exponent is buzzing about anxious to demonstrate his expertise; I would moot the topic that there are definite indications that there was Sufi influence among the inner teachings of the Knights Templar. After all, Spain was not so very far from the Languedoc; an area with a 'spiritual/artistic bent". Plus the Sufis were good at medicines and medical procedures that the West did not have; that alone would have forged some powerful alliances among the Templars..
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 28, 2010 6:15:40 GMT
If anyone could show Sufi workings in the Knights Templar works I would be interested to hear it.
I don't care to demonstrate expertise in a media that does not show the work.
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Post by maximus on Dec 28, 2010 15:55:25 GMT
Besides, correlation does not prove causation.
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Post by maximus on Dec 28, 2010 17:43:13 GMT
Suffice it to say that the Templars were a Christian order based on the Cistercian Rule. What individuals within the order may or may not have believed or practiced is mere speculation at this remove. Undoubtedly, many Crusaders were exposed to new (to them) ideas in the Levant. The Caliphate preserved many ancient works that had been lost to the West after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and I, for one, am grateful for that. It should not be surprising that people of different cultures arrive at similar results through differing methods. This is due to the fact that we are all human beings, and despite cultural and language differences, think the same. This does not mean, however, that because one culture used one particular method, that another "borrowed" the ideas to form their own. There are similarities between the World Tree Yggdrasil and the Jewish TOL, but that does not mean the Scandinavians borrowed their concepts from Judaism.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 28, 2010 20:14:03 GMT
The Sufis speak of one "current of wisdom' that manifests itself everywhere, and adapts itself to whatever circumstances it finds itself in. The wisdom-current known as "Sufi" is by no means exclusive to the Middle East; it manifests itself wherever those who have the capacity for understanding are gathered. Thus it is entirely possible for the current of thought referred to as " Sufi to have made its way into the Templar doctrines "all on its own". However it is MUCH MORE LIKELY that it was in fact actively introduced to them via direct contact with Sufi, seeing as how Spain was only a SHORT DISTANCE AWAY from the Languedoc, AND that there was a Syrian Grand Master in place within SEVEN YEARS of the formation of the Knights Templar as an official organization.
Of course, the idea that SARACEN ideas made their way into a "Christian" group would be ANATHEMA to those who think of "christianity' as the be-all and end all of spiritual thought. in fact, the Judaeo-Christian current INCLUDES Islam; there is NO fundamental difference between the "Jews" (from whose philosophy Christianity evolved) and the "Arabs"; both revere the SAME prophets, except that Islam adds ANOTHER one: Mohammed, and the emphasis is DIFFERENT.
Allowing personal prejudices to cloud one's discrimination in regard to the history of the Knights Templar is BAD SCIENCE, and certainly will have its effect in causing ERROR, just as the widespread mental prejudice against the image on the Shroud of Turin being OTHER than that of "Jesus" has a DETRIMENTAL effect on ascertaining the TRUE history of the Shroud!
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Post by jayman on Dec 28, 2010 22:58:26 GMT
Allowing personal prejudices to cloud one's discrimination in regard to the history of the Knights Templar is BAD SCIENCE, and certainly will have its effect in causing ERROR, With all due respect, your opinion that that Templars were influenced by a handful of Sufi Moors from Spain is a personal prejudice. It must be because you are firm in your opinion on the subject.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 28, 2010 23:15:14 GMT
Thatbeing so, then ALL such firmly held opinions would be bound by this injunction. The only way to determine the rightness or wrongness of any proposition must be by an examination of the facts. Since the proximity of Spain to the Languedoc is self-evident to anyone capable of reading a map, one can deduce that the theory that the KT drew from Sufi sources in their pursuit of higher knowledge holds a certain amount of water; after all, weren't YOU the one that pointed out the influence the proximity to Temple priesthood would have wrought on the theology of the region of the Languedoc? Surely the same could be said of the Knights Templar, who were well known to have exchanges with the Saracen; many Knights Templar spoke Arabic and would have had Saracen accountants and scribes working in their offices keeping the accounts! The Saracens were good with math and writing; famous for it, in fact! They gave us "Al-Gebra", after all!
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