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Post by helios7 on Nov 24, 2010 3:45:45 GMT
Hi All, I was wondering what a Star of David means in a Natal chart? Im a beginner in all things esoteric. I am learning the 88 Constellations as well and know some basic planets in ones chart, But you are welcome to look at the chart, Im trying to learn about myself. Thanks ! -Helios Attachments:
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Post by Augur on Nov 24, 2010 5:29:09 GMT
Hi All, I was wondering what a Star of David means in a Natal chart? Im a beginner in all things esoteric. I am learning the 88 Constellations as well and know some basic planets in ones chart, But you are welcome to look at the chart, Im trying to learn about myself. Thanks ! -Helios Well, you've blurred out a lot of the details. I could figure it out if I wanted to spend 5-10mins on it to deduce which planets were where, but you obviously want to keep that private for some reason. So I won't bother. The problem, or interesting bit, with the pair of interlocking Grand Trines (particularly in air/fire) is that you're not just dealing with those, but with all the oppositions and squares (not so clear in your pic since you didn't highlight it, but they're there - all those air signs are in opposition to the fire signs across from them) so as much as there is clear communication between those energies, there's just as much tension that needs to be resolved. It can be quite a dynamo, if harnessed correctly. You see, the problem with too many trines is that it makes life too easy. No challenges or frictions to create energy, so everything tends to be too smooth for the individual. Too many squares or oppositions lock people up and create frictions that can cause a lot of stress and difficulties if the sextiles/trines aren't there as a valve to release and direct those energies into a more comfortable or familiar area of life. As to how this particular chart configuration would work, who knows? For all know from a glance, half these planets could be the outer planets. Or maybe they are aspects to parts of fortune or spirit or itty bitty asteroids. The planets (players) involved makes all the difference.
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Post by Augur on Nov 24, 2010 14:00:06 GMT
Hi There, you are awesome and very generous, thank you ! I included the CLEAR one for you. I used to be shy, but not anymore. I agree, theres no challenge. lots of pain in my life though, physical and accidents and losses and more. Its non stop ! But is there a Esoteric meaning to where I am in my soul karma? I was approached by "someone learned in the Esoteric" and he said I was about to ascend. And then he gave me a pic of a unicorn and Washington Monument and he disappeared. I couldnt ask him any more . Oh, he also said that I had lived many lifetimes, Can that be ascertained with the North/South Nodes and more? Also there is a concern of mine, Id like to ask in private sometime... but yes, thanks . I hope you can give me any advice in that area with a more clear chart. -Helios Thanks! I didn't mean to goad you into producing the whole thing - since I'm not really willing or prepared to inflict pages of astrological interpretation on the people that read this board. Either go see a professional astrologer (pricey) or find a forum that deals with astrology and let the students there go nuts on it for you trying to show off what they know! However, I'll make a short comment on it though I'm not sure you're going to like it. I wouldn't consider this configuration to be a pair of Grand Trines. Why? Because... The Grand Fire Trine is Sun/Moon/Neptune. Ego fulfilled by career, sensitivities fuelled by how you put yourself forward in the world (a bit feminine at that) tied nicely in with some artistic expression or area of playfulness your life that's a touch dreamy and romantic in nature - though this 'dreaminess' or drug or alcohol abuse may prevent you from 'getting things done' when you need to. The only issue I have which this Trine is the inclusion of Neptune and the Moon being in Cancer at 28deg rather than being in a Fire sign like the other two planets makes it 'interesting'. The Moon in this instance will lean more heavily towards showing a Leo aspect than it might normally on the cusp in this instance. The only deal with Neptune is that it's an outer planet and being a bit 'old school' I prefer to deal mostly with the main seven planets and only use the outer ones for transits unless strongly aspected otherwise. The Air Trine isn't there, or at best is a very weak alignment. It's only a Grand Trine if you include Caput Draconis (North node of the Moon) which isn't a planet, but rather a sensitive area of the chart. Then the other angle is Pluto - which falls under the same issues that I have with Neptune. As a minor comment I'd just say that it seems to indicate being successively freed from limiting or stifling conditions by sudden or radical changes to the social circles you travel in. Perhaps spurred on by a domestic or maternal influence. But I wouldn't honestly call this one a Grand Trine. Sorry! As a closing comment I'd also bring to your attention that I'd say that these two areas of your life don't 'play well' with each other. Whatever you do for a living seems to be very much a part of who you are and how you project yourself to the world: but it plays havoc with your social life at home and in public somehow. That's the big challenge here to slowly integrate these into each other, so that the groups you hang out with and the people you live with can better understand the work you do, why you do it, and why it's so important to you. Right now, I'd bet that you're always sacrificing the good of one for the other in order to 'maintain the peace' so to speak. Or I could be totally wrong! I'm only on my first coffee of the day and I've already broken my promise to keep this short. So what do I know? LOL
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Post by helios7 on Nov 24, 2010 17:28:47 GMT
Hi Augur, Spot On ! I reposted by original below without the clear chart.
Im having my coffee as well and will reply with how accurate you were in a few minutes.. thanks !
Im back yes, you are right, My job is very sensitive and does clash with domestic life, leaving lots of stress and tension
Ive noticed this as well. Something behind the veil, building up to reveal who I am or my destiny, I feel it will just land in my lap one day . And Im hoping this revelation will bless my whole circle and make everyones life better.
Here is youre qoute, I wish I was good enough to figure out when this alignment or planetary return will be...
I'd just say that it seems to indicate being successively freed from limiting or stifling conditions by sudden or radical changes to the social circles you travel in. Perhaps spurred on by a domestic or maternal influence.
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Hi There, you are awesome and very generous, thank you !
I included the CLEAR one for you. I used to be shy, but not anymore.
I agree, theres no challenge. lots of pain in my life though, physical and accidents and losses and more. Its non stop !
But is there a Esoteric meaning to where I am in my soul karma? I was approached by "someone learned in the Esoteric" and he said I was about to ascend. And then he gave me a pic of a unicorn and Washington Monument and he disappeared. I couldnt ask him any more . Oh, he also said that I had lived many lifetimes, Can that be ascertained with the North/South Nodes and more?
Also there is a concern of mine, Id like to ask in private sometime... but yes, thanks . I hope you can give me any advice in that area with a more clear chart.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 26, 2010 23:41:01 GMT
I have found personally that the outer planets have a definite and measurable effect in a chart if they make strong aspects to inner planets, particularly the conjunction. Crowley says in "Magick Without Tears" that "conjunctions matter much more than all the other aspects put together" or words to that effect.
I have all three "outers" in strong contact with "inner planets" so I know whereof I speak. Also, I have noticed such people are MORE likely to be involved with 'the occult" than those who have NO such contacts.
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Post by Augur on Nov 27, 2010 0:05:35 GMT
I have found personally that the outer planets have a definite and measurable effect in a chart if they make strong aspects to inner planets, particularly the conjunction. Crowley says in "Magick Without Tears" that "conjunctions matter much more than all the other aspects put together" or words to that effect. I have all three "outers" in strong contact with "inner planets" so I know whereof I speak. Also, I have noticed such people are MORE likely to be involved with 'the occult" than those who have NO such contacts. Yes, as I stated if strongly aspected the 'trans-personal' planets may have a measurable impact in a natal chart. But due to their slow movement and generational nature even when strongly aspected one has to take their 'trans-personal' nature into account. So it still makes them, even when strongly aspected, the least of the influences in a personal natal chart. I also would go so far as to say that the aspects are the most important part of a chart, natal or mundane, closely followed by the houses themselves and would agree that the conjunction is absolutely the most potent of them. This is not just Crowley's opinion, but that of most astrologers and is pretty basic stuff. Sadly, people tend to get hung up on the signs which are, imho, one of the least interesting or telling components of a chart.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 27, 2010 0:37:08 GMT
If I had it to do all over, i would learn Hindu astrology, or "jyotish". the Hindus really have it all down to a 'fine art' ; they don't use the outer planets, but they do use the Nodes, instead.
I can tell you that a jyotishi asked me after looking at my chart , if I had an older brother. I said no, I was the oldest. He then said to me "Ask your mother if she had a miscarriage or anything before you were born". After FIVE years, I finally remembered to ask mum about it; I told her what the astrologer had said.There was a long pause, and then she told me that she had had an abortion about two years previous to my birth.
I would never have known this if the jyotishi had not said something about it. Some of them don't even have to cast a chart; you can just tell them the date and time of your birth, and they will start rattling off information about you that is so accurate you will suspect they have been SPYING on you!
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Post by Augur on Nov 28, 2010 0:36:06 GMT
If I had it to do all over, i would learn Hindu astrology, or "jyotish". the Hindus really have it all down to a 'fine art' ; they don't use the outer planets, but they do use the Nodes, instead. Yup, Western astrology uses the nodes and arabic parts too and I've seen results just like what you're referring to (and some even more surprising!) from it as well. Personally, I think it has less to do with the specific flavour of the art practised than the skill and insight of the person practising that art. All systems have their strengths and weaknesses and 'the grass is always greener' after all...
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 28, 2010 3:47:18 GMT
Well, the Indians really raised astrology to a fine art because they used it for 'matchmaking"; there is in fact a whole branch of jyotish dedicated to "omen"Jyotish is sidereal astrology done in a Chaldean fashion; there are astrological observatories in India that are thousands of years old and are still in use.
And yeas, I agree about the intuition part; it is said that the consort of Shiva cursed astrology after a run-in with Saturn, saying that unless a large portion of intuition was added to Jyotish, it would bring ruin to its practitioners.
Have you read anything on Fixed star astrology and can you recommend anything? i don't know if david ovason has any books out on the topic, but I plan to find out! His book on eclipses was most fascinating.
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Post by Augur on Nov 28, 2010 5:14:58 GMT
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 28, 2010 5:27:56 GMT
I will definitely check out the books you have recommended. Dave Ovason wrote "The Zelator" and "secret Zodiacs of Washington DC, a book that reads like a real-life "Lost Symbol". he mentions fixed-star astrology in "The Zelator", and I've wanted to know more about it ever since! He mentions it in the Eclipse book, too. But his big thing is Nostradamus, apparently.
A very good series of books on the psychological aspects of astrolgy is anything by Liz Greene. It was her writings that got me into Jung and the archetypes. In fact, the very first book of hers that I read was "The Astrology of Fate", a fantastic look at the effects of Pluto in the natal horoscope.
It is a weird fact that one of the charts presented in this book is so similar to mine that it is eerie; even the ASCENDANT is exactly the same! There are only a few minor differences due to transiting and even these are significant; the Moon of the chart is opposite to my Moon by a degree or two! It was WEIRD to find an 'astrological twin' in a book about "Fate".
Sorry, I don't mean to hi-jack the convo; i am also interested to see what you have to say about a "Star of David" configuration. Once you are done that, I would be also interested to have your opinion of a chart with a T-square that is about to be "completed" into a Grand Cross by a transit of Pluto. I don't need a complete analysis, I just would like your opinion.
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Post by Augur on Nov 28, 2010 18:24:38 GMT
I will definitely check out the books you have recommended. Dave Ovason wrote "The Zelator" and "secret Zodiacs of Washington DC, a book that reads like a real-life "Lost Symbol". he mentions fixed-star astrology in "The Zelator", and I've wanted to know more about it ever since! He mentions it in the Eclipse book, too. But his big thing is Nostradamus, apparently. Ah, never read any of these. Never had any interest in Nostradamus either. A very good series of books on the psychological aspects of astrolgy is anything by Liz Greene. It was her writings that got me into Jung and the archetypes. In fact, the very first book of hers that I read was "The Astrology of Fate", a fantastic look at the effects of Pluto in the natal horoscope. Liz Greene is quite good - her Saturn: A New Look at an Old Devil really impressed me. Another good book on Pluto was written by Jeff Green. No relation between the two! It is a weird fact that one of the charts presented in this book is so similar to mine that it is eerie; even the ASCENDANT is exactly the same! There are only a few minor differences due to transiting and even these are significant; the Moon of the chart is opposite to my Moon by a degree or two! It was WEIRD to find an 'astrological twin' in a book about "Fate". ...Or period. The closest chart I've ever found to mine was that of Erwin Rommel. Not entirely sure what to think of that. Sorry, I don't mean to hi-jack the convo; i am also interested to see what you have to say about a "Star of David" configuration. Once you are done that, I would be also interested to have your opinion of a chart with a T-square that is about to be "completed" into a Grand Cross by a transit of Pluto. I don't need a complete analysis, I just would like your opinion. Actually, what little I've already said about pairs of Grand Trines (or the 'Star of David' configuration you refer to) was all I was going to say. I don't like the comparison between the Hexagram and the interlocking Trines since..well..they're quite different. I'd be more prone to compare them if one Trine was passive and the other active, but as it's always air/fire or water/earth there's little similarity between the two - except for the geometry.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 5, 2010 22:30:47 GMT
Here's an interesting horoscope for you: take a look at THIS one:
February 18, 1836, , Calcutta, shortly before dawn (don't know if days get shorter and longer in tropical countries)
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Post by summart on Oct 25, 2021 22:36:42 GMT
Hi There, you are awesome and very generous, thank you ! I included the CLEAR one for you. I used to be shy, but not anymore. I agree, theres no challenge. lots of pain in my life though, physical and accidents and losses and more. Its non stop ! But is there a Esoteric meaning to where I am in my soul karma? I was approached by "someone learned in the Esoteric" and he said I was about to ascend. And then he gave me a pic of a unicorn and Washington Monument and he disappeared. I couldnt ask him any more . Oh, he also said that I had lived many lifetimes, Can that be ascertained with the North/South Nodes and more? Also there is a concern of mine, Id like to ask in private sometime... but yes, thanks . I hope you can give me any advice in that area with a more clear chart. -Helios Thanks! I didn't mean to goad you into producing the whole thing - since I'm not really willing or prepared to inflict pages of astrological interpretation on the people that read this board. Either go see a professional astrologer (pricey) or find a forum that deals with astrology and let the students there go nuts on it for you trying to show off what they know! However, I'll make a short comment on it though I'm not sure you're going to like it. I wouldn't consider this configuration to be a pair of Grand Trines. Why? Because... The Grand Fire Trine is Sun/Moon/Neptune. Ego fulfilled by career, sensitivities fuelled by how you put yourself forward in the world (a bit feminine at that) tied nicely in with some artistic expression or area of playfulness your life that's a touch dreamy and romantic in nature - though this 'dreaminess' or drug or alcohol abuse may prevent you from 'getting things done' when you need to. The only issue I have which this Trine is the inclusion of Neptune and the Moon being in Cancer at 28deg rather than being in a Fire sign like the other two planets makes it 'interesting'. The Moon in this instance will lean more heavily towards showing a Leo aspect than it might normally on the cusp in this instance. The only deal with Neptune is that it's an outer planet and being a bit 'old school' I prefer to deal mostly with the main seven planets and only use the outer ones for transits unless strongly aspected otherwise. The Air Trine isn't there, or at best is a very weak alignment. It's only a Grand Trine if you include Caput Draconis (North node of the Moon) which isn't a planet, but rather a sensitive area of the chart. Then the other angle is Pluto - which falls under the same issues that I have with Neptune. As a minor comment I'd just say that it seems to indicate being successively freed from limiting or stifling conditions by sudden or radical changes to the social circles you travel in. Perhaps spurred on by a domestic or maternal influence. But I wouldn't honestly call this one a Grand Trine. Sorry! As a closing comment I'd also bring to your attention that I'd say that these two areas of your life don't 'play well' with each other. Whatever you do for a living seems to be very much a part of who you are and how you project yourself to the world: but it plays havoc with your social life at home and in public somehow. That's the big challenge here to slowly integrate these into each other, so that the groups you hang out with and the people you live with can better understand the work you do, why you do it, and why it's so important to you. Right now, I'd bet that you're always sacrificing the good of one for the other in order to 'maintain the peace' so to speak. Or I could be totally wrong! I'm only on my first coffee of the day and I've already broken my promise to keep this short. So what do I know? LOL
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Post by summart on Oct 25, 2021 22:42:20 GMT
Thanks! I didn't mean to goad you into producing the whole thing - since I'm not really willing or prepared to inflict pages of astrological interpretation on the people that read this board. Either go see a professional astrologer (pricey) or find a forum that deals with astrology and let the students there go nuts on it for you trying to show off what they know! However, I'll make a short comment on it though I'm not sure you're going to like it. I wouldn't consider this configuration to be a pair of Grand Trines. Why? Because... The Grand Fire Trine is Sun/Moon/Neptune. Ego fulfilled by career, sensitivities fuelled by how you put yourself forward in the world (a bit feminine at that) tied nicely in with some artistic expression or area of playfulness your life that's a touch dreamy and romantic in nature - though this 'dreaminess' or drug or alcohol abuse may prevent you from 'getting things done' when you need to. The only issue I have which this Trine is the inclusion of Neptune and the Moon being in Cancer at 28deg rather than being in a Fire sign like the other two planets makes it 'interesting'. The Moon in this instance will lean more heavily towards showing a Leo aspect than it might normally on the cusp in this instance. The only deal with Neptune is that it's an outer planet and being a bit 'old school' I prefer to deal mostly with the main seven planets and only use the outer ones for transits unless strongly aspected otherwise. The Air Trine isn't there, or at best is a very weak alignment. It's only a Grand Trine if you include Caput Draconis (North node of the Moon) which isn't a planet, but rather a sensitive area of the chart. Then the other angle is Pluto - which falls under the same issues that I have with Neptune. As a minor comment I'd just say that it seems to indicate being successively freed from limiting or stifling conditions by sudden or radical changes to the social circles you travel in. Perhaps spurred on by a domestic or maternal influence. But I wouldn't honestly call this one a Grand Trine. Sorry! As a closing comment I'd also bring to your attention that I'd say that these two areas of your life don't 'play well' with each other. Whatever you do for a living seems to be very much a part of who you are and how you project yourself to the world: but it plays havoc with your social life at home and in public somehow. That's the big challenge here to slowly integrate these into each other, so that the groups you hang out with and the people you live with can better understand the work you do, why you do it, and why it's so important to you. Right now, I'd bet that you're always sacrificing the good of one for the other in order to 'maintain the peace' so to speak. Or I could be totally wrong! I'm only on my first coffee of the day and I've already broken my promise to keep this short. So what do I know? LOL I am so glad to have found this conversation... I think I may have found my cosmic twin?
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