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Post by sid on Mar 6, 2011 23:08:42 GMT
Re: no higher degree than that of Master ... In reality a Master is master of himself, and the elements and forces of the world in which he operates. A Master of a lodge, is embodying this principle. Being a Master of a lodge is nothing to get puffed up about, indeed, those who are most humbled by this role are the more masterly. No more and no less than Master servent.
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Post by maat on Mar 7, 2011 0:05:56 GMT
The higher degrees illustrate the way things work and impose very serious obligations upon those who profess to be Masters. Do true Masters profess to be Masters? I would be very suspicious of anyone who professed that they were I would imagine that Masters are recognised at an inner level. People tend to bestow the title upon others whom they perceive to be a master - does not make it so though. Sai Baba has those that swear he is a master and those that think that he is a charlatan. ?
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 7, 2011 0:28:00 GMT
it is an interesting concept, all the Masters of the world will not dare call themselves Masters for fear of being called pompous. Then who will the Pupils look to for more enlightenment and encouragement ?
A Master of arts and science will feel an obligation to convey understanding to others. By doing so he will give all others the ammunition to call him a fraud and a bighead. This I would say is what you get for caring about others, if you care you will suffer the slings and arrows and barbed comments.
Thus all Masters, Rabbi , Teachers have been since time began.
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Post by maat on Mar 7, 2011 1:41:54 GMT
Then who will the Pupils look to for more enlightenment and encouragement ? Maybe it is the person standing beside you.
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Post by parisfred on Mar 7, 2011 9:43:11 GMT
futur UGLE 1813 articles of union stated:
"It is declared and pronounced that pure Antient Masonry consists of three degrees, and no more viz: those of the entered apprentice, the Fellowcraft, and the Master Mason, including the Supreme Order of the Holy royal Arch."
only 3 but 1,2,3,4 ;D
the three first with the legend of the third are common for all freemason around the world.
then there is two conceptions : the blue/symbolic lodges are independant or under the weight of a system of high degrees.
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 7, 2011 17:34:29 GMT
Arrrrgh, Royal Arch was considered the completion of the 3rd, then it was not, then it was again.
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 7, 2011 17:40:20 GMT
OK then try this one.
A Master who says he knows everything has learned nothing.
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Post by maat on Mar 7, 2011 22:50:18 GMT
Someone who professes to know everything clearly does not know about everything else.
It does not make him a liar, just ignorant of how vast the storehouse of knowledge is.
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Post by sammy on Mar 8, 2011 15:48:20 GMT
Id say I started out as a teenager thinking I knew everything. In my 20's I realized I didnt know anything. Now I realize no one knows anything and were all lucky to even be talking. BTW if we evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys exist?
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 8, 2011 17:41:19 GMT
Does a "master" need to know everything about everything? Maybe we have unrealistic expectations?
Sammy my good man, are you trying to pick an evolution fight with me? ;-)
Homo sapiens did not evolve from monkeys. Today's monkeys evolved from yesterday's monkeys, or more precisely today's primates evolved from yesterday's primates. At one, just a little while back, we were contemporary with Neanderthal. Our cousins didn't make it. Disease, changing environment, overly-specialized development, and just plain bad luck sometimes cashes in a species chips. It happens. The progress of life, the Dance of Shiva if you will, is at times rough.
The cool thing is that evolution is happening now. Selection happens.
"What do we want?
Evidence based change!
When do we want it?
After peer-review!"
- science humor -
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 8, 2011 18:27:16 GMT
I am not getting my point across.
My pal Theron said it best, "its not about me changing them , its about me changing me".
You are the Master and the Pupil.
The smartest of all realize how little they know.
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Post by maat on Mar 8, 2011 21:46:53 GMT
You mentioned Rose Croix. This is a Christian based order which takes a different study of Freemasonry. Or so Christians have fooled you into believing. How about Kabalah, Qabalah or Cabala (the Christian version) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CabalaIt seems to me that the 'higher one goes' the more one can learn about what happens/happened 'below'. The Trinity appears in all major belief systems - and psychology. The conscious, subconscious, superconscious functions could be described as P...P...K... Well, this was a bait post gone to waste No-one questioned me as to why I would use R.Arch symbolism for Rose Croix! Try superimposing the Rose positions upon the Arch positions... where did the three sojourners end up what did they learn who have they become (and the same three pillars are there)
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Post by anubis on Mar 8, 2011 22:11:51 GMT
I am not getting my point across. My pal Theron said it best, "its not about me changing them , its about me changing me". You are the Master and the Pupil. The smartest of all realize how little they know. I must be a genius, because I don't know doodly-squat.
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 9, 2011 1:52:48 GMT
Or so Christians have fooled you into believing. How about Kabalah, Qabalah or Cabala (the Christian version) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CabalaIt seems to me that the 'higher one goes' the more one can learn about what happens/happened 'below'. The Trinity appears in all major belief systems - and psychology. The conscious, subconscious, superconscious functions could be described as P...P...K... Well, this was a bait post gone to waste No-one questioned me as to why I would use R.Arch symbolism for Rose Croix! Try superimposing the Rose positions upon the Arch positions... where did the three sojourners end up what did they learn who have they become (and the same three pillars are there) well you have lost me, but I do like a quiz where did the three sojourners end up [vaulted chamber ] what did they learn [ how to seek for that which was lost ] who have they become [ members of RA ] How did I do ? Three MM from Basildon ME Having heard you are about to rebuild a Ford Cortina to the H and G of the MH are anxious to sojourn a amongst you to assist in that great and glorious undertaking
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Post by maat on Mar 9, 2011 3:08:32 GMT
Yeah.. lets play. I love quizzes to.
where? vaulted chamber, raised up, or somewhere else depending on the success (or failure) of their search. Yep, I would agree with your answer.
what? I would add 'where' to 'how' ie know how, and where, to look. Few there be that are adventurous enough to take that 'road less travelled' it seems.
who? can't agree with you on this one.. they were members to start with. How about the least becomes the greatest having successfully negotiated the gauntlet of life's experience. Commoner to king.
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Post by maat on Mar 9, 2011 3:24:31 GMT
How about the Three Pillars of the Tree of Life. THE THREE PILLARS
As discussed in an earlier study, the Sephirah on the right "pillar" of the Tree of Life are on the "active" side, and those on the left are on the "passive" side. The outer pillars are also associated with the ideas of "force" and "fire" (on the right side) and "form" and "water" (on the left side). The central pillar is that of equilibrium (balance), and is associated with "air" or "spirit."
All the Sephirot on the passive pillar are receptive and have the qualities of Form, in the Understanding (Binah) is the formulation of ideas, Judgment (Gevurah) is exercised in response to something, and Reverberation (Hod) is the echo to an impulse coming from any one of the other Sephirot. It is the same with the active pillar. Here the impact of revelation is seen in Wisdom (Hokhmah), while the power than must be behind Mercy (Hesed) is enormous. Eternity (Netzah) is the principle of repetition, the incessant input necessary to make the world go round. The central pillar is concerned with Will and with the Grace which descends from the Crown (Keter) through Knowledge (Da'at) to Beauty (Tiferet), which is the Sephirah which reflects the top to the bottom of the Tree. Foundation (Yesod) and Kingdom (Malkut) are respectively the manifestation of an image plan and the actualization of it in the Divine material. 3
It should be noted however, that as the Sephirot interact with, and contain aspects of each other, that any of the ones on the passive side can act forcefully, and vice-versa. For instance, Gevurah (Judgment) can be "passive" in terms of mediating between understanding and truth, or it can be "active" in terms of meeting out punishment in the face of continued evildoing.4
www.yashanet.com/studies/revstudy/rev6.htm
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Post by maat on Mar 9, 2011 3:26:02 GMT
The central pillar is that of equilibrium (balance), and is associated with "air" or "spirit."
A centre from which we cannot err?
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Post by anubis on Mar 9, 2011 3:32:10 GMT
The Middle Path.
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 9, 2011 6:24:42 GMT
where? vaulted chamber, raised up, or somewhere else depending on the success (or failure) of their search. Yep, I would agree with your answer. what? I would add 'where' to 'how' ie know how, and where, to look. Few there be that are adventurous enough to take that 'road less travelled' it seems. who? can't agree with you on this one.. they were members to start with. How about the least becomes the greatest having successfully negotiated the gauntlet of life's experience. Commoner to king. I am just following my ritual. where? This is the chamber where the secrets were regained - sojourners lowered into what? see answer 1 who? knock on the door - whom have you there, - 3 MM from Babylon ??
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Post by maat on Mar 9, 2011 23:33:22 GMT
Your ritual is giving you clues to the inner workings of life. Who or what are the 3 MM from Babylon?
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