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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 9, 2011 23:57:08 GMT
I was just expanding on what had been said already. We touched on Royal Arch , you said "No-one questioned me as to why I would use R.Arch symbolism for Rose Croix!" I am giving you some RA symbolism from my ritual. the 3 MM are the sojourners you mentioned, From Aldersgate ritual RA 'having heard you are about to rebuild the temple ... we are anxious to sojourn amongst you ' We examined the extended orders of Freemasonry such as Rose Croix ............. www.freemasonrytoday.com/17/p09.phpThe degrees beyond the Craft are many and varied. Whilst there are ways of classifying and grouping them together, there are those referred to as Christian Orders, in that they restrict their membership to those avowing the Christian faith.
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Post by maat on Mar 10, 2011 2:48:13 GMT
From the link you provided above..
The Rite was allegedly constituted by Frederick II (the Great) of Prussia in 1762, but there was certainly some form of Rose Croix - encompassing a whole host of prior influences from the Renaissance, Kabbalah, Rosicrucianism, and Enlightenment thought - being conferred in France by the 1760s
Kabbalah is not Christian (as in Jesus)... Kabbalah (Qabala) is a discipline and school of thought concerned with the mystical aspect of Rabbinic Judaism. Both RA and RC are set out in columns... at each end are 3's So it is the TB of Kabbalah.
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Post by maat on Mar 10, 2011 2:56:24 GMT
Whether it is Christian or Rabbinic Judaism doesn't matter, the lesson is the same. Just seems a shame that some are excluded because of decisions based on local traditions in times gone by.
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Post by maat on Mar 10, 2011 3:06:52 GMT
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 10, 2011 5:58:23 GMT
I had to sit and listen once to a speaker explain that Karate was Egyptian in origin because of "Ka." I found that to be just a little disingenuous. I thought that since there is a limit to hearing range in Homo sapiens that it would not too large of a leap to think that two distinct cultures used the same sounds for different concepts.
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Post by maat on Mar 14, 2011 4:08:03 GMT
Ka-Ra-Te Ka-Ba-La Ka-Hu-na Ka-rma Ka'ab-a
... this will make an interesting subject to pursue. I do believe that the Hawaiin language have a great deal in common... similar sounding words meaning the same thing. Kahuna - meaning Keeper of the Secret.
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 15, 2011 1:30:34 GMT
Pursue away. "I do believe that the Hawaiin language have a great deal in common... similar sounding words meaning the same thing." I am not sure what you mean here. What are you suggesting the Hawaiian language has some something in common with? Karate has little to do with concealing secrets or with the Ka'aba. Quick math, if we take all the sounds that we can make and compare that to all the concepts and objects that we have words for we are going to find several similar sounds relating to completely different concepts or objects.
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Post by maat on Mar 17, 2011 2:20:21 GMT
Ka = –noun Egyptian Religion. A spiritual entity, an aspect of the individual, believed to live within the body during life and to survive it after death. Ra –noun Egyptian Religion . A sun god of Heliopolis, a universal creator worshiped throughout Egypt (typically represented as a hawk-headed man bearing on his head the solar disk and the uraeus). Te –noun (in philosophical Taoism) the virtue or power inherent in a person or thing existing in harmony with the Tao. Ba –noun Egyptian Religion . An aspect of the soul, represented as a human-headed bird. Huna - The secret knowledge of Hawaiian-priest sorcerers known as kahunas, or keepers of the secret. This knowledge includes healing, weather control, and mastery of fire walking on redhot lava. An important aspect of Huna miracles is the concept of mana, a vitalistic force with close parallels to the Odic force of Baron von Reichenbach, the animal magnetism of nineteenth-century Europe, and the orgone energy of Wilhelm Reich, as well as the kundalini of Hindu tradition. According to Max Freedom Long, who studied Huna magic in Hawaii, the kahunas recognize three entities of aka (bodies of the human being): a low, middle, and higher self. The low self generates mana through food and other vital processes and is concerned with the physical body and the emotions. The middle self is a reasoning entity, while the higher self transcends memory and reason. Read more: www.answers.com/topic/huna#ixzz1GoooyYBRAb - Hebrew àá Av means "father" in Hebrew. The exact meaning of the element ab (àá) or abi (àáé) in Hebrew personal names (such as Ab-ram, Ab-i-ram, Ah-ab, Jo-ab) is under dispute. The identity of the -i- with the first person pronominal suffix (as in Adona-i), changing "father" to "my father", is uncertain, it might also be simply a connecting vowel. The compound may either express a nominal phrase (Ab ram = "[my] father is exalted") or simply an apposition (Abram = "father of exaltedness"). Forms with the connecting vowel and with the pronominal suffix were likely confused, so that the translation will depend on what is meaningful in connection with the second element.
Read more: www.answers.com/topic/ab-semitic#ixzz1GoqJSVQt
Hu - The term Hu in reference to a creator or god is linked to many cultures and religions. The ancient Egyptians [3] and the Druid are just a few.[4][Proper citation required on druid statement, the link does not mention druid.] Others speculate that the pronoun when used by the Sufi (and Muslim) is simply a shorter form of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton due to the similarities between Sura Al-Ikhlas 112:1 in the Quran [5] and Deuteronomy 6:4 in the Hebrew Bible.
Read more: www.answers.com/topic/hu-sufism#ixzz1GopoY3Dy
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Post by maat on Mar 17, 2011 2:30:16 GMT
Anatomy of the Self
by Sivakami OmAnandi and Acharya Premananda (Dr. Basavaraj Udapudi)
History of the Three Selves
The oldest record of a reference to the different levels of the self, actually come from ancient Polynesia. The author of many books on the Spirituality of the Hawaiians, Maxwell Freedom Long tracks the ancient Hawaiians on a long journey that took several hundred years. The short version, is they escaped Egypt when the worship of the Goddess was being replaced by male deities. They stayed for a while in the Atlas Mountains, to build ocean going raft-type ships. They knew where they wanted to go. Through skills with astral projection, they knew of the Hawaiian Islands, and that no one lived on them.
Their longest stop, of approximately 100 years, was in South India. From India, they sailed to the islands that now are known as French Polynesia. Here they stayed for another long period of time, before sailing North to the Hawaiian Islands.
en.sundarayoga.fi/44
The Three Selves = M, SW, JW ?
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Post by maat on Mar 17, 2011 2:33:48 GMT
It was the similarity of languages that set Maxwell Freedom Long on his path of discovery re Huna. You can check that part out easily enough.
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 17, 2011 11:20:09 GMT
HUNA[Excerpts - from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Linked above]
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 17, 2011 11:24:36 GMT
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Post by maat on Mar 17, 2011 22:33:34 GMT
Yep I can see that that particular reporter/journalist is a real philosopher.
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Post by maat on Mar 17, 2011 22:53:03 GMT
Here is the book, compliments of The Sacred Texts site. I found the book quite thought provoking... and I love anything, or anybody, who makes me think. www.sacred-texts.com/nth/ssbm/index.htmCHAPTER XVII
THE SECRET WITHIN THE SECRET
The Secret within the larger Secret was the fact that there was a third self connected with man and his two lower selves. The nature of this High Self (Aumakua) and the means of gaining its aid also belonged to the inner Secret.
In this the kahunas were very far ahead in their findings. They knew that they could never do more than guess at the fact of, or nature of Beings higher in the scale of consciousness than the High Selves.
Their guess was a traditional one. They guessed that the Higher Beings would be similar to the lower ones which they knew in man. They subscribed to the ancient axiom "As above, so below." They may have originated it, for no other psycho-religionists seemed to have had definite and detailed knowledge of the three separate and independent spirits which compose the man.
The kahunas knew man to be a triune being—one of three spirits—so they guessed that the gods and even the final highest and SUPREME BEING would be triune in nature. This idea may have originated with the kahunas or it may not, but it spread around the world and appears in Christianity and Brahmanism if not in the lore of the Great Spirit of the Amerindians.
Wherever the symbol of the triangle appears, it is safe to say that the secret of the triune nature of man, and possibly of the gods was incorporated in the religion of the people. True, the real meaning of the three sides of the triangle representing the three selves of man, may have been lost or misunderstood, but the symbol was retained and revered. In Egypt the pyramids presented to the world four faces of triangular form. In Central America the triangle was known and used in religion.
Another ancient and widespread belief which was common to the kahunas and later religionists was that there had been a descent into physical matter of some of the CONSCIOUSNESS OF HIGHER BEINGS. This accounted for the creation of the earth and lower forms of life and gave rise to various versions of the "FALL" which are met in several religions. As a logical result of a belief in a "fall," there followed the belief that all lower creatures, headed by man, were on their way back up the scale, slowly returning to Ultimate God.
Religions are filled with the intricacies of the descent and ascent, but because of his mental limitations, man of the middle self level can never do more than speculate. The ways of the High Self are unfathomable in a large part, and the ways of still higher beings are totally unfathomable. The various scriptures which have been supposed to have been given mankind by divine revelation, show in the things revealed the inventions of the middle self mind. No two of the revealed writings agree. THE ONLY THING OF WHICH WE CAN BE FAIRLY CERTAIN IS THAT THERE IS A HIGH SELF which can be approached to get aid in the problems of daily living.
Aloha (The word aloha derives from the Proto-Polynesian root *qarofa, and ultimately from Proto-Malayo-Polynesian.[1][2] It has cognates in other Polynesian languages, such as Samoan alofa and Mâori aroha, also meaning "love." A folk etymology claims that it derives from a compound of the Hawaiian words alo meaning "presence", "front", "face", or "share"; and ha, meaning "breath of life" or "essence of life." Although alo does indeed mean "presence" etc., the word for breath is spelled with a macron or kahakô over the a (hâ) whereas the word aloha does not have a long a. Read more: www.answers.com/topic/aloha-1#ixzz1Gts1GL8S
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 18, 2011 11:36:22 GMT
Yep I can see that that particular reporter/journalist is a real philosopher. Yep, its a fine example of rhetoric, one of the seven liberal arts and science. Moreover, it is admirably restrained in the face of Long's cynical cultural fraud, hugely offensive to many indigenous Hawaiians.
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 18, 2011 12:13:35 GMT
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Post by maat on Mar 20, 2011 23:00:19 GMT
Agreed Tamrin... and incredibly bad video by both people. I only lasted 3 mins with it.
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Post by maat on Mar 20, 2011 23:02:11 GMT
Re Shamanism, Tamrin... Are you just against certain individuals who claim to be so, or do you believe all shamans to be quacks?
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 21, 2011 8:58:21 GMT
Agreed Tamrin... and incredibly bad video by both people. I only lasted 3 mins with it. You might find this more entertaining: Not Huna but it's in the same ballpark. Chaser - Alternate Therapies
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 21, 2011 9:11:36 GMT
Re Shamanism, Tamrin... Are you just against certain individuals who claim to be so, or do you believe all shamans to be quacks? This is not about me, but since you ask: I was taught to be cautious and I try to practice Viveka (discrimination between the real and the unreal), believing it to be the first step on the path of wisdom. With discipline, one learns to be alert to logical absurdities; factual errors; dodgy definitions and translations; anachronisms; and bogus qualifications. Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who claim to have found it
Andre Gide (1869 - 1951) French critic, essayist, & novelist
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