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Post by whistler on Mar 10, 2011 9:48:43 GMT
There can only be one creation story - so creation happened What ever religion we happen to put our trust in - doesn't alter that original fact - creation still happened. So if we be a Christian, Bhuddist, Hindu, Pagan or coke bottle worshiper. we were created regardless
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 10, 2011 13:54:59 GMT
There is only one truth and only one religion, whatever you want to call it is fine by me!
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Post by sammy on Mar 10, 2011 15:41:18 GMT
HAHA awsome!
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 10, 2011 16:59:00 GMT
On what premise did creation have to happen? Could it not be that the universe was always around.
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Post by whistler on Mar 10, 2011 19:25:16 GMT
There is only one truth and only one religion, whatever you want to call it is fine by me! And the chuckle factor is the "only one Truth" I would draw your attention to the lines in my signature. perhaps we need another word say "one creation" - and then religion is a belief system - a belief system doesn't effect the happening of creation - What religion has done over the eons is slaughter millions
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Post by anubis on Mar 10, 2011 21:13:15 GMT
There is only one truth and only one religion, whatever you want to call it is fine by me! And the chuckle factor is the "only one Truth" I would draw your attention to the lines in my signature. perhaps we need another word say "one creation" - and then religion is a belief system - a belief system doesn't effect the happening of creation - What religion has done over the eons is slaughter millions No, man has slaughtered man in the name of religion. Only an animate being is capable of doing violence. There is no enlightenment outside of one's self.
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 10, 2011 21:42:03 GMT
You may have a point, a strong one at that. I have never seen anyone killed by a book. I guess if it fell off of a shelf it might.
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Post by whistler on Mar 10, 2011 22:44:03 GMT
You may have a point, a strong one at that. I have never seen anyone killed by a book. I guess if it fell off of a shelf it might. Good one ;D Though there may have been somebody killed by a book in Christchurch a couple of weeks ago
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 10, 2011 22:59:12 GMT
You may have a point, a strong one at that. I have never seen anyone killed by a book. I guess if it fell off of a shelf it might. Millions have died because of the content of books. It is not the book but rather the importance placed upon it.
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Post by maat on Mar 10, 2011 23:53:13 GMT
One could argue that religion is the tool that will ultimately set us free. So we might be thankful for them.
One can only break free from the indoctination of religion when one really thinks about the beliefs of that religion. Children have faith that their parents will take care of the every need. As they grow to adulthood they realise that parents are not as infallible as they once believed. Children leave home and eventually, it is the child who will be left to care for the parents.
Free thinkers and doers can do lots to see that religions are not hijacked by those who think they know more than they do.
My argument is better seen from my standpoint on things, which is that we all enjoy (or not) more than one life in one body. Religion itself says that the sins of the father will be taken out on the sons even to the fourth 'generation'. So if one finds oneself born into indoctrination, maybe it is because we were not strong enough to break the ties in previous incarnations. And maybe we need to experience the repercussions of previous errors in judgements.
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 11, 2011 14:55:58 GMT
Mostly right on this Bill. Millions have died because of the manipulation of the masses while the masses were either too ignorant or too cowed to do anything about it. Religions make a useful tool for a tyrant. The content of the book in question is less important than it appears. When it comes time to kill a cafeteria approach will be taken with the religion being used.
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Post by anubis on Mar 11, 2011 17:01:13 GMT
One could argue that religion is the tool that will ultimately set us free. So we might be thankful for them. Conversely, it could be argued that it is our rational faculty that will ultimately set us free - free from dogma and the mystical constraints of religion into the light of reason. Some religions, by their adherents slavish observance of them, cause more problems by virtue of following their doctrines, than by breach of them. What, then, if you are wrong? What if this life is the only one we have? What if consciousness is a product of biology, and with the death of the body, consciousness ceases? What of free-will?
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 11, 2011 22:00:57 GMT
Mostly right on this Bill. Millions have died because of the manipulation of the masses while the masses were either too ignorant or too cowed to do anything about it. Religions make a useful tool for a tyrant. The content of the book in question is less important than it appears. When it comes time to kill a cafeteria approach will be taken with the religion being used. Spoken like a true agnostic, but to label millions as brainless automatons is not quite what i think the vast majority of the worlds population would agree with. The written word is just the manifestation of thoughts, a way of communicating ideas, it may well be a case of what comes first the thought or the book. The chicken or the egg. Let us consider how much destruction Humans were involved in before they could read. One mans Tyrant is another mans Saviour.
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 12, 2011 0:52:38 GMT
There is still only one truth, perhaps we must learn to know truth without dogma? Go on go for it!!
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Post by nventr on Mar 12, 2011 4:16:15 GMT
There is still only one truth, perhaps we must learn to know truth without dogma? Go on go for it!! I agree that there is only one truth. It is an elephant and all the religions are blind men. ;D
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Post by anubis on Mar 12, 2011 5:23:46 GMT
God's name is Bob. He told me so. He says all of you are heretics and must be punished. ;D
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 12, 2011 20:32:03 GMT
Bill, killing isn't a new thing for us. We have been doing it for a long long time. It seems that we, as a species, have a taste for killing and it appears that we will keep it up.
Not a true agnostic, I just play one on TV
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 13, 2011 18:06:37 GMT
Then if we have a propensity to killing , it is not as a result of books.
I am not sure if we are agreeing or not ? life is complicated
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Post by maat on Mar 13, 2011 23:53:08 GMT
What, then, if you are wrong? What if this life is the only one we have? What if consciousness is a product of biology, and with the death of the body, consciousness ceases? What of free-will? Could be. But what if I am right? What if those words in the Volume of Sacred Law - about having to be reborn again before entering the Kingdom of Heaven about "who do they say that I am ... ?) and "this day you will be with me in Heaven" (to his fellow crucified) and "in my Father's House there are many mansions" and "the sins of the father being visited upon the son (our own re-embodied selves) and... etc etc.. What if consciousness is magnetic in nature and the result of the interaction of the Father "I Am" and the Son "i am"? (Sons of Widows are sons of Mother Nature?) What if consciousness is soul? Consciousness does not end with the death of the body. Of that I can assure you (through experience)! What if the Third Degree was taken more literally than it is? What would it be telling you. If you do not believe that you survive death, then how do you make sense of what Freemasonry is imparting to you? Freemasonry was founded by deeply esoteric people, some of them being scientists and scholars of the highest calibre. If you make a study of other religious and mystery traditions you will find that Freemasonry fits in perfectly with the esoteric belief systems of Rabiinic Juadaism, Sufism (Islam) and wait for it, Christianity. At the inner level they all agree! Jesus had desciples to whom he gave true knowledge, to the rest he told stories (allegories) because he knew they would not understand, or be able to cope with the inner truths at that stage in their development. By recognising and beginning to understand the Wisdom within the Book of Sacred Law - I know that the world is a place of becoming. And if we don't become in this life we get another chance and another and another. In perfect Love we are given all the time we need to perfect ourselves. We just chip away at the old block till we learn how to become a perfect ashlar. (At the Spirits command the Soul departs the body lodge til the next regular meeting).
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Post by anubis on Mar 14, 2011 2:04:18 GMT
You're answering questions with questions. Russell taught you well.
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