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Post by whistler on Jun 13, 2011 8:53:29 GMT
>shrug< It matters not a whit to me what you choose to do, or how you plan to go about evolving yourself; that is the fundamental [sic] difference between ME and the "fundies". My "passage' on that boat has already been paid in full; I have done all the necessary spiritual work and attained "liberation' in this lifetime. But the majority of humanity has not done so, and has no intention of doing so. They are all too preoccupied with earthly concerns; they will only find out they have been 'left behind" AFTER the fact, when there is no longer any possibilty of 'evolution' within their grasp. Like I said, we have been warned that very soon "there will be no liberation for a very long time" and "long time" means a VERY "long time" indeed...as in "several hundred MILLENNIA". Myself, I wish to go on with my spiritual heritage...the Sufis have a saying: Once we were mineral. Then we died to that and became plant. Then we evolved to the animal level, and finally we arose as human. We were being taken on a very long journey whose end could not be discerned. So why fear losing your "human' nature? You shall leave that behind in order to become "angelic"; why cling to "humanity"? WOW. to have such spiritual certainty - gee I hope for your sake you have got it correct. Even the Sufi certainty can be taken with a grain of salt if there is a possibilty of celestial seeding - " My "passage' on that boat has already been paid in full; I have done all the necessary spiritual work and attained "liberation' in this lifetime. " That reminds me of Harold Camping who predicted the end of the world would be on Monday 21st of May - I didn't pay any bills on the Friday in case I wouldn't need to on the Monday - I have a friend who had Fatty delicious unhealthy meals all weekend. - and Oh Dear Tuesday came and we were still here the world didn't end - So I still had to pay my bills, and my friends health suffered from his week end over indulgence. Why do we need to look at struggling minorities for spiritual answers this is 2011, a time of new energy the old energies of last century are sinking into the mire of history. If you want to see evidence of the rise in spiritual consiousness, of planet earth - we need to look no further the young people - the world is fast filling up with aware young people who are rapidly discarding the old tired dogmas of their parents and grandparents, along with the wars and strife they bought to the planet. I am happy to believe the world will become an even more exciting, united and wonderous place than it is now, and when in a few years I will probably pop my clogs, I hope I can come back really quickly to be part of the changes
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Post by vajranagini on Jun 14, 2011 0:00:19 GMT
Well, I WISH I could say to you "I hope for your sake you have got it correct" , but you DON'T. maybe you haven't noticed the fact that there is radiation spilling into the ocean at a furious pace over in Japan, and the Mexican Gulf is STILL a toxic wasteland, and just about every day brings a NEW report of earthquakes, volcanoes, tornadoes, floods, and locusts... you really think all this is just going to "stop" all of a sudden? >shakes head<
As an astrologer, I KNOW what is to come- and it AIN'T PRETTY. Things are just getting STARTED. So, you can have your "airy-fairy" notions of enlightenment and the 'good times to come"; we cannot fail to see whether your visions of an 'exciting , wondrous and united place' is to be the future-or a future in which "the living will envy the dead". After the Aeon of Horus the Child i.e. the "youth" of which you speak, comes the Aeon of TRUTH.
Me, I always choose to live with REALITY...because it is REALITY that eventually shows up to live with us!
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Post by maat on Jun 14, 2011 1:39:49 GMT
Freemasonry takes one on many journeys, and in each there is a 'friend' by ones side.
We each must face the king of terrors sooner or later and masonry has prepared the wise, its very signs indicate the procedure.
(I know for a fact that in the face of immanent peril one is taken to another place, as a watcher immune from that terror)
And why do you persist in trying to propagate fear among the innocent vajranagini? If I am going to die tomorrow and there is nothing I can do about it, do I want to know about it today? No. I want it to surprise me.
People without hope have been known to commit suicide and worse. Do you want to contribute to this fear?
Are you projecting the fear you feel onto others? I'm grasping for a motive here.
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Post by vajranagini on Jun 14, 2011 3:48:24 GMT
Actually I am caught between a rock and a hard place: if I say nothing, then people just go on as usual, unaware of the fact that they have very little time left to make the necessary spiritual progress that will see them through the times to come and take them where they would wish to be did they know...
...And if I speak, saying that 'people need to be aware that there isn't much time left to make the necessary spiritual progress and this is how I know..." then there is. of course, the risk that people will "panic". I should point out, however, that if they are foolish enough to 'commit suicide' then that's THEIR look-out, isn't it? Not to mention that they have, by their own actions, instantly wasted every chance they had for "immortality", AND sentenced themselves to perpetual existence as "food for the moon" >shakes head<
Kind of silly-don't you think?- to tell me that I am "taking away hope" by telling the sleepers "it's time to wake up and 'get right with God' for REAL". >big eyeroll<
If people DON'T pay attention and just continue on as they have been , wallowing in the material, preoccupied with everything BUT the state of their souls, then THAT will genuinely herald a time when there will TRULY be "no hope".
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Post by whistler on Jun 14, 2011 5:18:53 GMT
My Personal Truth - is the Creator created everything - The Creator is the rule maker and can't make a mistake. So for everything that has ever happened and will ever happened there is a reason. I am just glad that the Creator lets me play - hang on a minute the Creator is within every cell in my body so all is well.
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Post by maat on Jun 14, 2011 5:58:41 GMT
...And if I speak, saying that 'people need to be aware that there isn't much time left to make the necessary spiritual progress and this is how I know..." then there is. of course, the risk that people will "panic". I should point out, however, that if they are foolish enough to 'commit suicide' then that's THEIR look-out, isn't it? Not to mention that they have, by their own actions, instantly wasted every chance they had for "immortality", AND sentenced themselves to perpetual existence as "food for the moon" >shakes head< ...so... they waste their chance for immortality, but at the same time sentence themselves to a perpetual existence as food for the moon. That quite simply does not make sense. I must say your post shows a certain lack of empathy for your fellow beings. I'm guessing that you won't be the last man off the ship as it goes down. I'm with Whistler... whatever happens is merely a point on the line of time and space, which is part of a perfect plan. I also firmly believe that not a single soul will be lost. Some may take longer to learn the lesson of Life, but all eventually will.... in this or some future life. (PS Even moons have a finite life, who will eat us then?)
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Post by rembrandt on Jun 14, 2011 11:06:10 GMT
Nobody knows the time and who cares? If there is very little time left then there is very little time left, spiritual progress (whatever that is supposed to mean) usually doesn't happen quicker because now there is someone saying time is short.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 14, 2011 11:54:30 GMT
When I was a boy in myTown there was a man who walked up and down the high Street every day, with a large board back and front of him. He did this for many years.
The World will end Tomorrow
The only man I ever knew who will one day be absolutely right.
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Post by rembrandt on Jun 14, 2011 15:22:39 GMT
Slow and easy wins the race.
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Post by vajranagini on Jun 15, 2011 2:18:13 GMT
...And if I speak, saying that 'people need to be aware that there isn't much time left to make the necessary spiritual progress and this is how I know..." then there is. of course, the risk that people will "panic". I should point out, however, that if they are foolish enough to 'commit suicide' then that's THEIR look-out, isn't it? Not to mention that they have, by their own actions, instantly wasted every chance they had for "immortality", AND sentenced themselves to perpetual existence as "food for the moon" >shakes head< ...so... they waste their chance for immortality, but at the same time sentence themselves to a perpetual existence as food for the moon. That quite simply does not make sense. I am sure you must have heard of the concept of "spiritual evolution" at SOME point in your career... To evolve beyond the need for repeated physical incarnation is what is known as 'liberation". Once the Kali Yuga ends, there will be NO MORE "liberation", i.e anyone who has not bothered to make the necessary connection with the Divine through personal effort will be "left behind", i.e they will be continuing the circle of "birth and death" ad infinitum, or at least as close as makes no nevermind. There is nothing "unnatural" or "unkind" about this; it is a matter of PERSONAL CHOICE. People talk a very great deal about 'free will" but they rarely, if ever, examine the implications of such a concept. If we have the "free will" to decline the opportunity for further evolution by ignoring the need to 'make an effort" then we cannot then piss and moan about how "mean and cruel" God is to 'leave people behind"; after all "free will" MEANS "free will"; you make your choice and God says "Ok, whatever you want! See ya!"
You are RIGHT, in a sense, it all works out "in the end' but "in the end" is (or will be) a VERY LONG TIME from now, as in "thousands of years". Remember: the Creator does not operate on our petty scale of time, it works in terms of millennia and AGES. I must say your post shows a certain lack of empathy for your fellow beings. I'm guessing that you won't be the last man off the ship as it goes down. The ship is going down in any case; whether I am first or last makes no nevermind to me...just as long as I make it onto the "life boat". As for my "lack of empathy"l, I could go on for quite some time as to what YOUR posts show a "lack of' but I really can't be bothered. It would probably be a waste of fingertip skin in any case.I'm with Whistler... whatever happens is merely a point on the line of time and space, which is part of a perfect plan. Oh, you can be sure that it all works out in the end; that which I am speaking of is all part of the natural course of events as dictated by global karma, astrological transits and the great archetypal forces.I also firmly believe that not a single soul will be lost. Some may take longer to learn the lesson of Life, but all eventually will.... in this or some future life. Yes. Think thousands and THOUSANDS (possibly millions) of years and you will have it right.(PS Even moons have a finite life, who will eat us then? By that time the point will be moot.)
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Post by vajranagini on Jun 15, 2011 2:22:48 GMT
Nobody knows the time and who cares? If there is very little time left then there is very little time left, spiritual progress (whatever that is supposed to mean) usually doesn't happen quicker because now there is someone saying time is short. Maybe you ought to ask your Sufi teachers about that "boat" thing, and the idea of "time running out". Like I said: If I am WRONG, it won't matter; if anything, making spiritual progress in one's life is all to the good. But if I am RIGHT about all this, then there is no time to be lost, because "later" will be TOO LATE...
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Post by maat on Jun 15, 2011 5:51:37 GMT
The ship is going down in any case; whether I am first or last makes no nevermind to me...just as long as I make it onto the "life boat". As for my "lack of empathy"l, I could go on for quite some time as to what YOUR posts show a "lack of' but I really can't be bothered. It would probably be a waste of fingertip skin in any case. I know - small brain, but I have a big heart and that is why I care for those of us that might be left behind. From memory, the Sufis believe that at the end of a vast expanse of time the Everything ends and that the essence or seed atom of all that was is enclosed safely in 'an Ark' until the next manifestation. Thus the Ark of the Covenant - Nothing will be lost, all will be saved from annihilation. The Sufi book that gave me this information was written entirely in green ink. Ark Mariners might be interested in this snippet.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 15, 2011 7:47:45 GMT
In the end the only reality is inside oneself.
Man's real problem is that he believes he is the centre of all things, in reality he is a parasite on a rock in space.
In the scheme of the Universe he and we are insignificant.
What will be will be.
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Post by whistler on Jun 15, 2011 8:12:05 GMT
All of which takes me back to my original post on the subject - Regardless of any little Religious Theater we may create, and dreams of souls we may have - The Creator still created us - it his game, his rules - As the creator created us so he/she/it created the earth quakes - the storms, the wars, the sunshine and the rain, when the creator has finished with us we will be no more. Not a problem really, perhaps we are all just characters in dream of the creator - wonder what happens when he/she/it wakes up
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Post by vajranagini on Jun 16, 2011 3:25:41 GMT
The ship is going down in any case; whether I am first or last makes no nevermind to me...just as long as I make it onto the "life boat". As for my "lack of empathy"l, I could go on for quite some time as to what YOUR posts show a "lack of' but I really can't be bothered. It would probably be a waste of fingertip skin in any case. I know - small brain, but I have a big heart and that is why I care for those of us that might be left behind. From memory, the Sufis believe that at the end of a vast expanse of time the Everything ends and that the essence or seed atom of all that was is enclosed safely in 'an Ark' until the next manifestation. Thus the Ark of the Covenant - Nothing will be lost, all will be saved from annihilation. The Sufi book that gave me this information was written entirely in green ink. Ark Mariners might be interested in this snippet. But that is precisely what I have been saying: The Kali Yuga is the Aeon that ENDS a vast expanse of time; one that heralds a NEW BEGINNING.(Sat Yuga/the Aeon of TRUTH) There is no 'annihilation' as such; after all one of the laws of the physical plane is that "energy is neither created nor destroyed". In the Hindu scripture the "Chandi", the Great Goddess is hailed for her merciful actions in KILLING the asuras/demons (instead of annihilating them) so that through death, the demonic also shares in the opportunity for redemption and evolution in the grand scheme of things. Not, perhaps, what most people have in mind in terms of 'preservation", but that is how it is 'done" at the higher levels. The Kali Yuga is the period when the demonic energies are in the ascendent; one has only to look around to see that this is so. It is said of this time that "God cannot be found even in the houses of the holy"; that is to say that one cannot rely on "outside sources" for one's enlightenment and thus the sincere seeker must "look within". Those who do not seek will be 'cast down' along with the demonic to "claw their way up the ladder again", hence my warning that one's time would be well spent in regular spiritual practices such as meditation and prayer (as opposed to sitting on one's arse in front of the TV, f'r instance.)
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Post by rembrandt on Jun 16, 2011 4:15:27 GMT
You shouldn't suppose that I haven't spoken with my teachers about the end. In short, the end doesn't matter.
The end will come eventually and it has little to do with my or your "progress." Don't worry about it and try to continue your work. Since you seem to be good to go you really don't need to worry. Just get your sign out and let everyone know that "the end is nigh."
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Post by whistler on Jun 16, 2011 4:50:07 GMT
Ref "The Kali Yuga is the period when the demonic energies are in the ascendent; one has only to look around to see that this is so. It is said of this time that "God cannot be found even in the houses of the holy"; that is to say that one cannot rely on "outside sources" for one's enlightenment and thus the sincere seeker must "look within".
Has there ever been a period in the history of Human endeavour when it couldn't be said the demonic energies are in the ascendent Still we seem to trundle on
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Post by rembrandt on Jun 16, 2011 13:47:53 GMT
From reading history, every age was proclaimed to be the end. Why should today be any different.
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Post by vajranagini on Jun 17, 2011 21:53:45 GMT
If you were to actually put some thought into the issue you would have your answer: in no other age prior to this has there been 70,000+ nuclear warheads lurking in wait, nor were there atomic power plants built right at the ocean's edge in earthquake zones, so that when they have a "meltdown", the contaminated water goes straight into the ocean, nor, in ages past was there any drilling for oil several miles below the sea so that if anything "goes wrong", zillions of gallons of toxic oil pours into the water. I could go on for some time, but I am sure you get the idea...
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Post by rembrandt on Jun 17, 2011 22:14:11 GMT
I am sure that someone in the future will use the interesting aspects of their time as proof of the end as well.
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