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Post by rembrandt on May 3, 2011 0:30:05 GMT
Oh dear Lord, really?
I am out, I'll be back later perhaps.
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Post by billmcelligott on May 3, 2011 7:28:27 GMT
vaj - I do read your posts - you said now if you had any knowledge of Royal Arch Freemasonry you would immediately recognize the Pick, Shovel and Crow and the central symbols of the degree and not try to make out that there is any other possibility or explanation for the incense burner. you then post If you are now right then logic would dictate the other symbol is incense So which is it, or is it safer to put forward all available ideas knowing then that whichever one is right you will be hailed as the most intelligent. Scissors and tape could indicate any of the cloth trades , Tailor, Cloth maker, Dress Maker , Shirt Maker. I have written to the Lodge in question and they are helping with some background information.
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Post by vajranagini on May 4, 2011 1:22:54 GMT
vaj - I do read your posts - you said now if you had any knowledge of Royal Arch Freemasonry you would immediately recognize the Pick, Shovel and Crow and the central symbols of the degree and not try to make out that there is any other possibility or explanation for the incense burner. The Pick and Shovel refer to Royal Arch Freemasonry; I remember reading this in The Hiram Key, when Knight and Lomas were discussing the original Knights Templar and their nine-year sojourn in the desert digging away at the foundations of the old Temple. As you can see, I already remarked way back on the FIRST PAGE about the Pick and Shovel (and "crow") as being associated with HRA. And I do not dispute the incense burner; I believe I may have referred to it as an "urn", but I am in agreement with the identification of it as an incense burner; in fact that would certainly explain the odd squiggles with which it is surrounded.
The quote of mine you are taking exception to does not refer to the original coin at all; I am talking about the REVERSE side of some of these coins depicted in the link, with their cryptic runes and odd shape.you then post If you are now right then logic would dictate the other symbol is incense So which is it, or is it safer to put forward all available ideas knowing then that whichever one is right you will be hailed as the most intelligent. Actually I have no such motive whatsoever; that is YOUR interpretation.Scissors and tape could indicate any of the cloth trades , Tailor, Cloth maker, Dress Maker , Shirt Maker. I believe I already said something earlier to the effect that the Mark would most likely be associated with the "garment trade".I have written to the Lodge in question and they are helping with some background information. It will be interesting to see what they have to say.
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Post by billmcelligott on May 4, 2011 2:17:49 GMT
Some people just have to be right. Thanks , I am
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Post by billmcelligott on May 4, 2011 2:20:14 GMT
vaj, I am not taking exception, just like to keep things in perspective.
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Post by billmcelligott on May 4, 2011 11:21:56 GMT
OK, got a reply back from the Lodge Web Master:-
When brothers became Royal Arch Masons, they were given the coin. That area inside the circle was blank, and the brother could have anything they wanted engraved in there. Often it was initials or the Mason's Mark that the brother selected in the Mark Master degree. In this case, it probably belonged to a brother who was a tailor, but it wasn't something of significance to the Chapter, but rather to the individual Mason.
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I know that at one time a very long time ago, the ground floor of our Temple contained a shirt factory, that's the only connection I can think of, but that's a pretty big stretch.
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Post by sammy on May 9, 2011 15:43:24 GMT
So I guess to close, we know almost nothing about the coin atleast that anyone is going to voice publicly. Except that it is a masonic coin, indeed with masonic symbols. Including some tie to tailoring/sewing. Hey! It only took us 7 pages!
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Post by macb on May 9, 2011 17:53:59 GMT
How do you figure that . We know much about the coin , and it can be voiced publicly . It is a coin of a Royal Arch Mason , it has the working tools of a Royal Arch Mason and the Pot of Incense along with the Keystone on it and what is almost definitely the "Mark" of it's owner in the center of the Keystone .
What more can be stated ? It IS the coin of a Royal Arch Mason .
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Post by billmcelligott on May 10, 2011 9:53:11 GMT
Yes I agree we know a lot about the coin.
Now we may take 7 pages to chat about it but some of what is said will be used in other conversations. Knowledge is a flowing river and often spills over to other outlets.
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Post by sammy on May 10, 2011 15:25:09 GMT
All it takes is a penny
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Post by jackson on Feb 26, 2012 17:29:43 GMT
Hello people; new guy alert.
: ) Will be introducing myself in the introductions forum.
To comment; while I am not sure what the scissors and thread/measuring tape are all about, I do have some idea as to probably where the coin was minted. It's very interesting but I think its manufacturers are somewhere by Mt Vernon or New York as I took a look at the list of masonic coins and happened to find others that had the same kind of letters surrounding the side of the token (yes, you heard me; it is a token).
How do I know it's a token? Because the list was titled such and it had a list of the grand lodges where each of those special coins were minted. Also; maybe the scissors and thread thing is something unique related to that particular district where the coin was minted from, as according to masonic tradition, each artificer placed a unique mark/logo on their work.
: )
And the "jug-like" thing on the right hand side isn't a jug at all...well, it is but it isn't. if you really want to know what it (and the other symbols on the token) mean and their significance, you should study the following author of this quotation's famous book...
"Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion. For here are inculcated disinterestedness (unselfishness), affection, toleration, devotedness, patriotism, truth, a generous sympathy with those who suffer and mourn, pity for the fallen, mercy for the erring, relief for those in want, Faith, Hope, Charity. Here we meet as brethren, to learn to know and love each other."
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Post by offramp on Oct 20, 2019 12:25:42 GMT
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