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Post by nventr on May 17, 2011 20:46:47 GMT
It is a delight just how well the secrets are hidden within Freemasonry - Memorylapse proves it so well - she hasn't a clue - Non-masons can't possibly know them. Only Initiated Freemasons can begin to glimpse those secrets which are so profound they are unutterable. Those symbols are but pesharim for secrets that are revealed to a Freemason as He/She makes progress in the Craft. What makes a Freemason so special ? The Initiation which is another Peshar This system or similar style progression is available in every religion and spiritual system on earth. The understandings of Masonry can be attained many different ways. All require looking deep within. Like GoatRiders says, regardless of system most are after attainments and medals, so they miss the boat. Symbolism and fraternity are just two methods. Meditation and solitude are two more. The Hindu religion has many more. While Freemasonry is an honorable system, it is not the only one. There are many honorable systems out in the world.
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Post by kingzson on May 18, 2011 1:10:51 GMT
I'm a young traveler just beginning my journey as a free mason.....I have just turned in my lecture and will be passed to the fellow craft degree on the 26th,but even in my just starting the journey I have already come to realize masonry is like an onion in that there are layers upon layers and that symbolism holds more than just one meaning.......It will take balance and pureness of heart to complete this journey and be that upright man we are called to be.........I am looking forward to the challenges that lay ahead.
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Post by whistler on May 18, 2011 5:39:34 GMT
It is a delight just how well the secrets are hidden within Freemasonry - Memorylapse proves it so well - she hasn't a clue - Non-masons can't possibly know them. Only Initiated Freemasons can begin to glimpse those secrets which are so profound they are unutterable. Those symbols are but pesharim for secrets that are revealed to a Freemason as He/She makes progress in the Craft. What makes a Freemason so special ? The Initiation which is another Peshar This system or similar style progression is available in every religion and spiritual system on earth. The understandings of Masonry can be attained many different ways. All require looking deep within. Like GoatRiders says, regardless of system most are after attainments and medals, so they miss the boat. Symbolism and fraternity are just two methods. Meditation and solitude are two more. The Hindu religion has many more. While Freemasonry is an honorable system, it is not the only one. There are many honorable systems out in the world. Nventr - The subject of this post is"Secrets in Freemasonry" Nothing to do with Honour , Methods, and other external matters - simply the "Secrets that are within Freemasonry" to discover those one has to be an initiated Freemason - To presume that they can be discovered by " Symbolism and fraternity are just two methods. Meditation and solitude are two more." is simply a presumption "
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Post by ruffashlar on May 18, 2011 15:43:55 GMT
All this talk of secrets in Freemasonry, you know, it makes Masons very fond of secrecy and of secret symbolism, and of curious and strange things in general. Which are all well and good, and I must admit it's an area that tickles my own liking and curiosity in a big way. But it all obscures - and not without good reason does it obscure - the simple fact of the only Masonic secret worth knowing; the reason for all the secrecy, in fact. Secrecy makes people think there is a secret; and thinking that, it makes them burrow deep for what the secret of all that secrecy can be.
Whereas, what the secret actually is can be summed up in a little song Nat King Cole made famous, with words and music by Eden Ahbez, called "Nature Boy":-
" 'The greatest thing 'You'll ever learn 'Is just to love 'And be loved 'In return' "
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Post by whistler on May 18, 2011 18:21:50 GMT
To presume that they can be discovered by " Symbolism and fraternity are just two methods. Meditation and solitude are two more." is simply a presumption " Can you please expand somewhat upon your premise that "[T]o presume...is simply a presumption"? Stated as such, the statement seems rather circular. I guess it is rather circular So is to try and define a method of discovering the Secrets of Freemasonry
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Post by nventr on May 19, 2011 3:12:40 GMT
All the "secrets" come from the same source. They are the same today as they were 5000 years ago in Sumeria when Gilgamesh was written down.
As long as you believe in a higher power, the road to the center can begin from any point along the circumference of the circle or any point on the globe. This means that the number of roads to the inner truth is infinite. There cannot be only one true way.
I believe the road runs both ways.
So when you travel the road from the center outward, every point along the circumference of the circle or globe becomes the unique expression of the center or source.
So, I guess I have to agree with those that say there is no secret.
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Post by whistler on May 19, 2011 10:48:56 GMT
Ref "I have to agree with those that say there is no secret." I have to agree that those who say there is no secret, have not found the secret
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Post by nventr on May 19, 2011 15:40:50 GMT
It is a secret or a mystery only to those whose eyes remain closed.
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Post by whistler on May 19, 2011 22:36:52 GMT
It is a secret or a mystery only to those whose eyes remain closed. The answer and uniqueness of the secret in Freemasonry is only revealed when the secret is discovered
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Post by whistler on May 21, 2011 2:37:52 GMT
Consider that so many possess these keys, yet do not know how to use them. The real secrets are not easily transmitted, if at all; either you "get it" or you don't.Perfect
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Post by Mr_Chaos on Jun 2, 2011 3:56:26 GMT
I think you are blending too much fantasy with reality my friend. The secret lies within!
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Post by jimnicholson on Jun 5, 2011 1:17:22 GMT
So it IS possible for a "non-Mason" to have penetrating insights into Freemasonic Mysteries, and there is nothing new about this; Socrates the Greek philosopher was condemned to death because he "revealed too much" of the Mysteries... and he had never actually been initiated!Great point and its a testament to those early seekers who held the torch long enough that many strands of Knowledge are in general circulation at this time. This of course is mirrored by Science which was one of the very hush hush aspects of age of enlightenment and now that knowledge is everywhere, albeit with as much dogma perhaps as religion has... Truth is, the Universe is set up that if one has the hunger and earnest intention to seek knowledge and to also LIVE that knowledge for the betterment of LIFE -- the principles will fly AT them like metal flakes to a magnet.
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 15, 2011 10:19:28 GMT
nventr writes, I believe the road runs both waysIt sure does, baby. It sure does Giggity giggity goo!
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Post by memorylapse on Jun 16, 2011 5:06:12 GMT
THis post got derailed on the first page, but I just wanted to come back and clarify a few things.
preface: I think it highly likely that the true nature surrounding the Freemasons has been (intentionally or unintentionally) obscured to all but a fragment of the most rich and powerful masons. Even those few probably dont know the true ramifications of the secret they are keeping. --
But right, what the hell is this secret I am talking about? Ok well here goes my best explanation of my theory:
In a nutshell:
The body is not the life, the life pervades the body.
Now that may seem a little cryptic but what I think those symbols I posted represent is the true model of the atom, and of matter in its true form. What we now think of as the electron (with the never ending stream of new abilities science keeps giving it) is not, in fact a particle on its own. What we see as the electron is actually an intersection of endless streams of magnets. At right angles to magnetic fields you have an electric field, this is what we have been calling the electron. These flowings magnets are what holds matter together, and what holds us on the earth. Not gravity. There are a source of infinite, renewable energy, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Everything in the universe is connected magnetically. Theres no need for a singularity with black holes any more. Instead, black holes, and indeed all dark matter has fallen outside of the grid. It still exists there in its entirety, spewing out truly cosmic amounts of energy in the form of magnetic current but it will never again be touched by "the life".
This place of eternal darkness forever beyond God's eternal life is what the book of Enoch describes as Hell.
More fun facts: This grid I am speaking of is essentially a wall that we can "tap on" to send messages across the universe instantly. As soon as science starts listening to the variations in the MAGNETIC grid surrounding us it will be like we turned on a universe sized radio and we will be connected to all the species who have discovered this. Or were given this technology.
This is how the pyramids were built: the huge stones were charged up with enough magnetic current to polarize them enough that the earth's magnetic current lifts it off the ground. IF you induce even more current into a small area you can super-heat the stone and cut it. straight as a laser...
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 16, 2011 6:08:19 GMT
Well that clears things up.
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Post by whistler on Jun 16, 2011 11:09:24 GMT
Gosh ! that is a curious secret, I haven't found that one
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Post by rembrandt on Jun 16, 2011 13:46:26 GMT
Not sure how that is the big secret of Masonry.
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Post by maat on Jun 17, 2011 1:26:00 GMT
Hi Memorylapse I think you might find the work of Edward Leedskalnin and Walter Russell of particular interest. People laugh when it is suggested that stones can by directed by sound or whatever. Llast week... a chef on a cooking show had a technique for making his fish float in the air for diners to catch. He used liquid nitrogen. It was beautiful to see
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Post by rembrandt on Jun 17, 2011 3:26:26 GMT
Was it a Masonic secret that has been kept from most Masons?
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Post by maat on Jun 17, 2011 3:53:26 GMT
Maybe the Master is magnetised? ;D How many masons know 'the secret' of the tassels? 'Wherefore have they taken those long ropes and gone forth? He said 'They are gone forth to measure. These measures shall reveal all the secrets of the depths of the earth' (Book of Enoch ch. LX v. 2-6)
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