Harmony
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Post by Harmony on Jun 29, 2006 15:53:43 GMT
I was at a meeting (craft) last night, and it was mentioned that the AMD may well be coming to Scotland soon.
Is anyone here a member, and if so, what are your thoughts - is this a worthwhile set of degrees?
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 29, 2006 16:18:45 GMT
I'm at work so must be brief (now that's a change)
The answers= Yes and YES!
More later!
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Post by middlepillar on Jun 29, 2006 17:16:50 GMT
I was at a meeting (craft) last night, and it was mentioned that the AMD may well be coming to Scotland soon. Is anyone here a member, and if so, what are your thoughts - is this a worthwhile set of degrees? Harmony, There has been talk of The AMD moving to Scotland for quite some time! In my Council we have four members from Edinburgh! Three are active members and travel all the way down to Croydon and normally make 2 of the 3 meetings, they have all progressed through the Chair and before they had done that they use to make every meeting! The AMD is one of the smallest Orders but it is one of my favorites, it consists of five degrees, one of which is pretty much stand alone (The St Lawrence The Martyr Degree) The other four all sit comfortably with The Mark and The Royal Arch The Degrees can be taken in any order after you have been admitted as a Brother of St Lawrence, they are; Grand High Priest, Red Cross of Babylon, Knights of Constantinople and Grand Tilers of Solomon. You can take the Degrees in any Council as well which is quite interesting. My Council normally holds a meeting of The Red Cross of Babylon which is quite a long Degree and needs a lot of Officers, so we normally join up with 2 other Councils and carry out the ceremony for anything up to 15 people! From several different Councils as well as those joining us. It is a very enjoyable Order, you have to be a Royal Arch Mason, a Mark Mason as well as (Obviously) a Craft Mason. Lastly, the Installation ceremony is very interesting and very educational in its own way!
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 29, 2006 23:15:35 GMT
I couldn't have put it better myself Chris.
Harmony, go for it. The Degrees are each very enlightening. I like Grand High Priest and Knights of Constantinople best.
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Post by lewfinnis on Jun 30, 2006 19:42:31 GMT
No doubt one of our Scots brethren will put me right, but doesn't the Red Cross of Babylon overlap with one of the Scottish degrees, possibly in the KT group?
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 30, 2006 20:23:25 GMT
Isn't that the Red Cross of Constantine? The one commemorating the well-known Byzantine medical rescue service
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Post by lewfinnis on Jun 30, 2006 21:11:57 GMT
I thought there was another Red Cross somewhere in Scottish Masonry. I know all about RCC!
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Post by mrmason on Jul 3, 2006 7:43:00 GMT
Hi Lew, The Red Cross of Babylon degrees are the Knight of the Sword, Knight of the East, and Knight of the East and West. They are worked as the second part of the Royal Ark Mariners. More commonly know as a lodge and council. The lodge being the Ark Mariners and the Council the Knights. The Babylonish Pass or Degrees of Captivity have no connection with the Mariners degrees but were taken under the wing of the SGRAC of Scotland in the early 19th century to stop them from dying out. It is a longer version from what is worked in the AMD and there is no intervisitiation with regards those particular degrees, unlike Ireland. The AMD order is supposed to be coming to Scotland as our Grand Scirbe E has had the degrees conferred upon him for that reason. The only problem is that like so many of the recently introduced orders to Scotland (Secret Monitor, KTP etc) the brethren up here may be governed by their English counterparts as there is no Scottish Grand body. Many feel that if it does arrive then it should come under the wing of the SGRAC and be independant from England.
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Post by JulesTheBit on Jul 3, 2006 8:04:50 GMT
Hi Lew, The Red Cross of Babylon degrees are the Knight of the Sword, Knight of the East, and Knight of the East and West. They are worked as the second part of the Royal Ark Mariners. More commonly know as a lodge and council. The lodge being the Ark Mariners and the Council the Knights. The Babylonish Pass or Degrees of Captivity have no connection with the Mariners degrees but were taken under the wing of the SGRAC of Scotland in the early 19th century to stop them from dying out. It is a longer version from what is worked in the AMD and there is no intervisitiation with regards those particular degrees, unlike Ireland. The AMD order is supposed to be coming to Scotland as our Grand Scirbe E has had the degrees conferred upon him for that reason. The only problem is that like so many of the recently introduced orders to Scotland (Secret Monitor, KTP etc) the brethren up here may be governed by their English counterparts as there is no Scottish Grand body. Many feel that if it does arrive then it should come under the wing of the SGRAC and be independant from England. Lew At the risk of confusing things, MrMason has described the structure of the Red Cross of Babylon degrees in Scotland but elsewhere it's different. In Ireland the Red Cross of Babylon degrees are the "Knight Masons" Order. These are the same ceremonies as worked in Scotland, but unlike Scotland these degrees were not linked to Royal Ark Mariners but remained separate. The Irish RA ceremony is set earlier in time than the English and covers the rebuilding of the first temple, the three Knight Masons degree ceremonies cover events around the Babylonish captivity referred to in the English RA ceremony, thus the Irish and English timelines are different. Does that help? S&F, Julian Domatic RA Chapter, London Stirling Rock RA Chapter, Bridge of Allan, Scotland Sassena Council, Knight Masons, Dublin and others
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Post by lewfinnis on Jul 3, 2006 15:13:53 GMT
It will be interesting to see how the AMD is dealt with in Scotland - it was the potential conflict of control that interested me and from MrMason's comments I can see choppy waters ahead!
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Post by bankarb on Jul 9, 2006 22:41:16 GMT
The AMD in the US is an invitational body only. Is that the way in Europe?
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Post by giovanni on Jul 10, 2006 5:51:14 GMT
in Italy any appendant body is for invitation only.
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Post by mrmason on Jul 10, 2006 6:57:26 GMT
More useless info! In Ireland the "council" degrees were, up until 1923/4 worked in the KT preceptories. The Grand Council was formed to stop them from disappearing altogether when the Great Priory of Ireland stopped working them. Which is why they are a seperate masonic body and not linked to any other one.
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Post by lewfinnis on Jul 10, 2006 10:13:26 GMT
In England it is invitational - but if someone asks about it, we try to grab them quickly!
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Post by JulesTheBit on Jul 10, 2006 13:01:47 GMT
In England it is invitational - but if someone asks about it, we try to grab them quickly! That's true ... it's one of the Orders I'm not in, but the invitations are hard to avoid 8-( JS
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Post by lewfinnis on Jul 13, 2006 21:18:25 GMT
Then why avoid them? You might just enjoy it!!!!!
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Post by JulesTheBit on Jul 14, 2006 10:39:17 GMT
Then why avoid them? You might just enjoy it!!!!! I often get asked that Lew! I get all I need from the various orders I am already in. I'm in most of them, and some that most people have never heard of. My full sig would be 4 times longer that some of my posts, and that looks silly. If its too long people don't read it, so I use a sig appropriate to my post. Although the story in the AMD ritual might be a little new and different to me it would not add significantly to my overall Masonic knowledge. Same applies to OSM, KTP and the Operatives which are the other major orders that I am not in. I've made the decision to expand my activities in other constitutions still further. Particularly Ireland. I'm learning more there than I would in another Order in England. I'm fortunate to be able to do that. Gone to feed the goats at GQS S&F, Julian Mainly UGLE But also Scotland, Ireland, California, Utah, Belgium and Germany
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Post by taylorsman on Jul 14, 2006 10:58:11 GMT
You pays yer money (not to mention your time). I'm at Allied tomorrow and we have a Candidate too. Should be a good day. Of all the Degrees I am in only one has failed to light my fire in some way or other and I may resign in good standing from it .
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Post by Harmony on Jul 14, 2006 14:44:11 GMT
You pays yer money (not to mention your time). I'm at Allied tomorrow and we have a Candidate too. Should be a good day. Of all the Degrees I am in only one has failed to light my fire in some way or other and I may resign in good standing from it . What one is that?
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Post by taylorsman on Jul 14, 2006 19:06:00 GMT
SRIA.
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