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Pi
Oct 8, 2014 6:52:32 GMT
Post by crossbow on Oct 8, 2014 6:52:32 GMT
Peter said: Radionics is an example of a practical system that uses rational numbers directly to influence reality.
crossbow: Can you explain how?
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Pi
Oct 8, 2014 21:56:42 GMT
Post by peter2 on Oct 8, 2014 21:56:42 GMT
Peter said: Radionics is an example of a practical system that uses rational numbers directly to influence reality. crossbow: Can you explain how? Radionics uses an apparently useless set of electrical circuits, or even just the wiring diagram to treat remote patients including humans. The prescription is a set of numbers, colour slides and a concept. Depending upon the design of machine the numbers and colours can be easily related to Theosophical concept of the planes (veiled by Jacob's Ladder) I have read that the CIA in the 1990s used a room-sized radionics device for its own purposes. I used to assist a radionics practitioner long ago and regularly saw the results including on the local climate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radionics
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Pi
Oct 9, 2014 0:41:21 GMT
Post by crossbow on Oct 9, 2014 0:41:21 GMT
It sounds a bit "out there". But who am I to talk.
I do think it is possible that one day a similar technology may be established, enabling such medical treatments and other achievables. Perhaps some are already emerging. But possibly it won't be either.
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Pi
Oct 9, 2014 1:35:24 GMT
Post by peter2 on Oct 9, 2014 1:35:24 GMT
We all know that humans, animals and plants operate better when loved. Might not love be transmitted with numbers (triggering energies), colors (triggering qualities) and intent? This can be seen as the application of beauty, wisdom and strength.
For example, I can assert that the quality of Tolerance can be transmitted using the intent to increase Tolerance, a pale old gold color and the number set combination: 2.4.3 and 5.4.7
Try it when in a low tolerance situation.
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Pi
Oct 9, 2014 12:41:23 GMT
Post by crossbow on Oct 9, 2014 12:41:23 GMT
I didn't try it because believe it or not I have another method that works pretty well for me. I have a fascination with observing things, even unpleasant things, to a certain extent of course, because its all life/truth/lessons. Its a sort of curiosity combined with acceptance. I also have a reflexive humour that is triggered by annoyance and causes me to laugh. It cracks emotions such as irritability, annoyance and fear. Then I follow up with reasoning and heart as prayer. I haven't always been like this; in past years I could be quite intolerant when I should have been tolerant.
Thought has form and quality. Are you sure you're not attaching a quality of tolerance to a thought form with that colour and number construction in such a way that the tolerant quality is present irrespective of the form?
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Pi
Oct 9, 2014 21:00:11 GMT
Post by peter2 on Oct 9, 2014 21:00:11 GMT
Are you sure you're not attaching a quality of tolerance to a thought form with that colour and number construction in such a way that the tolerant quality is present irrespective of the form? How do you know that the procedure I suggested generates a thought form? Could not the energy transmission be from another chakra?
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Pi
Oct 10, 2014 0:23:02 GMT
Post by crossbow on Oct 10, 2014 0:23:02 GMT
I can't do it without deciding, intending and thinking to do it.
You mentioned intent yourself, "...using the intent to increase Tolerance..." You also described a colour and a combination of numbers - that is a formation of thought.
Personally I cannot perform any conscious function through any "chakra" without thinking to do so. And I notice the relevant qualitative energies associated with other centres combine with the structure and intent of the thought, and all the associated energies amalgamate to a structure/quality/direction/effect according to the result of their combined natures. The result is what might be termed a thought form though it also contains energies from other centres. So far it seems the same in other people too. I have not yet met any freewilled human who can consciously do anything without thinking and intending to do so, and without combining qualitative energy of some sort into their thought and intent.
But I'm curious about reality and its nature, and I'm open to there being other ways than those I'm aware of.
If your procedure can be done without thinking to do it can you please explain how. I would find that very interesting.
Also, I am interested in reading about the mechanism by which your procedure works; how and why those particular numbers in that combination together with the old gold colour has the effect of increasing tolerance. Can you explain that too?
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Pi
Oct 10, 2014 2:35:19 GMT
Post by peter2 on Oct 10, 2014 2:35:19 GMT
>Personally I cannot perform any conscious function through any "chakra" without thinking to do so.
If the major center of consciousness is the mind, then it is common that a thoughtform will be associated with intent.
Intent, however, being an aspect of Will, may express through any chakra at or below the level (frequency) on which the intent is operating.
>I have not yet met any freewilled human who can consciously do anything without thinking and intending to do so
You may like to observe a well-developed parent that is holding a young child on the lap while having a serious conversation with an adult. The parent actively interacts emotionally and physically with the child while carrying on mental intercourse with the adult.
As the level of consciousness rises, the lower levels of human existence are relegated to the subconscious. In the example, the parent is aware of the emotional and physical requirements while the consciousness is dealing with the other adult.
>If your procedure can be done without thinking to do it can you please explain how.
If you can conceptualise without verbalising then you can form the image by intent (in this case color) - observing mentally only to detect the correct formation - then attach the number sets by intent, then qualify the energy structure by the outcome intent (tolerance) and by the target intent, then set the structure in motion from the most appropriate chakra. Commonly the heart is safest, but most humans have little heart activity, with their emotions driving their thoughts.
Intent does not require visual images.
>how and why those particular numbers in that combination together with the old gold colour has the effect of increasing tolerance.
When I set up the example I looked for number sets that related to (resonated with) the concept on the level of their own existence. The numbers showed themselves to me.
I can conceptualise the mechanism in terms of the planes and subplanes. Thus 2.4.3 is half way up the monadic plane and the 3rd sub-sub-plane gives a resonance of monadic energy that is detectable at mental levels. This is the source energy.
And the 5.4.7 is close to the top of the personal mind and probably is not 5.4.3 which would give a clearer resonance because more humans can interact with 5.4.7 than with 5.4.3. Thus 5.4.7 is the receptor level in the personal mind for the energies from 2.4.3.
If the humans are of good will then they are likely to respond to the resonance established by the intent of the metaphysicist.
The old gold color was obvious to me when I put my attention to the task. The color is close to the relevant natural flows from Adam Kadmon, qualified (by the oldness) to make the energies more accessible within the human personality.
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Pi
Oct 10, 2014 11:11:27 GMT
Post by crossbow on Oct 10, 2014 11:11:27 GMT
The example of tending the child on one's lap while conversing with an adult is an example of divided attention; of attending to one thing by rote and another more consciously; it is not an example of doing something without thinking to do it. The parent still thinks to attend to the child, even if the thinking switches to and fro, or operates simultaneously on different levels.
Regarding the rest of the explanation. I read it several times and I can see what you are talking about, but that's just chance on my part I think.
The average Joe won't know what you're talking about and won't care. Few people are going to be impressed by being told they can increase their tolerance by saying 2.4.3. because these numbers are half way up the monadic 3rd sub-sub plane and the colour of flows from Adam's Kondom is an old gold colour. To most people that would not be an explanation because the terms are unusual and not defined, and it does not articulate with average knowledge.
Personally I would take a more down to earth approach.
People require teachings they can understand, that touch their reason and their heart, and by doing so, make them think the teachings might work and are worth trying. And the teachings are within their easy grasp.
Tolerance, by simple definition means putting up with. But tolerance is not a virtue in itself, to be exercised all the time and everywhere. Tolerance is a tool, an ability, to be used where it should be used, and not be used where it should not be used. Some things need not be tolerated, in fact there is much growth to be had in not tolerating certain things, just as there is growth to be had in tolerating things.
Of course whether to tolerate something or not is a personal decision. And before a decision is judgement. It may be better judgement or poor judgement, but before a decision there is always judgement.
Judgement is exercised before tolerance. It goes awareness, judgement, decision, tolerance, in that order. As with any tool, we look at the job first, and decide which tool is required. We face the situation as it is, and assess it, and with our best judgement, which is using our reason and our conscience combined, we ask our self the question: Should this be tolerated?
If the answer in our best judgement is yes it should be tolerated, we can then decide to put up with it, and we can assist our putting up with it by adding to our tolerance further tools and virtues that compliment our tolerance and build upon it, such as acceptance, understanding forgiveness, reason, helpfulness, and so on. For tolerating something is only the beginning and minimum of good that we can do. And strength follows decision, not visa versa, so it is easier to apply strength and additional virtues to a decision made than to activate them before we make a decision. If the answer in best judgement is no it should not be tolerated, then action must be undertaken to tackle the problem, and suitable tools and virtues used for the job. Of course depending upon the nature of the problem depends our action for dealing with it.
By crisply defining a quality, ability or virtue, we make it graspable by the intellect; we are able comprehend it and act it out. Proper definitions are the building blocks of precise thought. And everything there is to know about anything is within its definition. By having all our tools, qualities, abilities, virtues and all functions of mind and heart and person crisply defined in form and quality, with no gaps or fuzziness around them, then we are able to wield all our equipment, able to think clearly and apply the required tool to the job.
This is a simple method, is easily taught and learnt, and maximises a person's capacity. It provides the individual with a solid foundation upon which he can rise further by his own initiative and according to his own preference. He needs nothing more after this except occasional reminders, assistance and encouragement as required and if he should request it. And with it he learns how to discretely help others who require help, even without them being conscious of being helped, whoever they are, whatever path of growth they are on, simply by defining and demonstrating things, he can discretely clear their mind and heart. (This has one limitation but I would be waffling too much if I went on about that.)
As freemasons we all learn this method in the opening of lodge, the two cares, the situations, duties and jewels of officers, the furnishings about the lodge, the working tools, and the charges too. Its all clearly defined, operates like clockwork, and is a working model of ourselves.
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Pi
Oct 10, 2014 11:46:59 GMT
Post by peter2 on Oct 10, 2014 11:46:59 GMT
>The example of tending the child on one's lap while conversing with an adult is an example of divided attention
The matter might be clarified if you distinguish awareness from consciousness. Consider for example how a background noise might be in the awareness without being in the consciousness.
>Few people are going to be impressed by being told they can increase their tolerance by saying 2.4.3.
Saying numbers, for most people, will not trigger such flows.
>People require teachings they can understand
The above technique is a method of remote healing.
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Pi
Oct 12, 2014 12:24:13 GMT
Post by sammy on Oct 12, 2014 12:24:13 GMT
If everything in nature and science (in existence/creation) can be represented mathematically, and by reverse, if every mathematical peculiarity represents something actual in nature and science, then what does the so-called irrationality or never ending decimal expansion of pi represent? To me it resembles a downward spiral (going well beyond the decimal, and never exceeding the whole number of 3).
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Pi
Oct 14, 2014 3:21:33 GMT
Post by crossbow on Oct 14, 2014 3:21:33 GMT
That's interesting Sammy.
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Pi
Jan 2, 2017 21:33:19 GMT
Post by peter2 on Jan 2, 2017 21:33:19 GMT
So what sort of metaphysical experiences have you had with numbers?
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Pi
Jan 3, 2017 2:38:46 GMT
Post by peter2 on Jan 3, 2017 2:38:46 GMT
For example Radionics uses numbers in a metaphysical way.
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Pi
Feb 8, 2017 22:54:37 GMT
Post by boreades on Feb 8, 2017 22:54:37 GMT
I have read that the CIA in the 1990s used a room-sized radionics device for its own purposes. If I remember correctly, Tom Bearden had published declassified work on that subject.
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Pi
Feb 8, 2017 23:26:37 GMT
Post by peter2 on Feb 8, 2017 23:26:37 GMT
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Pi
Apr 29, 2018 16:02:06 GMT
Post by boreades on Apr 29, 2018 16:02:06 GMT
I seem to recall that Pythagoras thought that numbers were alive. In my own experience of economic modelling I can recall an equation with lunar numbers (monthly) on one side and solar numbers (quarterly) on the other. The numbers were not happy. At the same time the model containing that equation appeared to be causing pain to the economic entity that it was purporting to model - rather like calling a human by a bad name. Coincidently I've been doing a lot of work on finance systems based not on monthly periods but four-weekly periods. Which is fine for three years out of four (with 52 weeks in the financial year), then in the fourth year we get 53 weeks in the year. Almost like a leap year, and events in the 53rd week are like people born on February 29th. I tell my colleague we are using a Lunar accounting method, so we must all be Lunatics.
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