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Post by Marcus on Nov 18, 2013 10:51:43 GMT
. Thanks Joshau, You asked - Buddha said "Remember”. Why would the Buddha do such thing? My guess - is that one of the reasons we memorise ritual is to make use of the sacred law of affirmation and manifestation. We mantra good vibrations and thereby focus our memory to learn ritual. Our memories being a non-physical, undefined fundamental necessity to our belief in self and this spacetime reality. The Buddha knew that one of the many weaknesses the masses maintain is an inability to Master their own memory. When you remember yesterday, do you make a serious choice to remember the good and valuable events of yesterday? Some people are enslaved by a traumatic memory that they can-not prevent disturbing their present. The shekels of the past haunt the present. When the Buddha said – Remember. The Sixteen Contemplations Sutra (Meditation Sutra) says:- People in all categories who practice Buddha-remembrance are born in the Pure Land. Seeing the Buddha, hearing the Dharma, in the end they will become enlightened. Only then will they know that their own inherent mind was all along fundamentally Buddha. My guess - The pure land or the real treasure of King Solomon minds, involves the Mastership of the true temple of self. Memory un-mastered is a major distraction to balance and stability necessary to reconnect with the perfection within us. The lost word is a veiled allegory illustrated by symbols. What is a word a sound that represents a meaning. Lost means – once possessed but then misplaced. Therefore a lost word is -- a meaning that we once possessed but is now misplaced. A forgotten meaning. Understand the meaning of a sojourn from west to east. Each and every sideways step, twisting winding, traversing death. Then finally bold or marching steps. The lost word was buried at the centre of the man. In his DNA to be uncovered when time OR circumstances require the individual to awake. Understandings of the Soul. Lost only, because of the slave’s fear of silence and the undefined inner self. A fear of the absence of physical land-marks in an apparent wilderness of the sub-conscious mind. In UK Masonry there is much which is inevitable about the future. Like king Cnut commanding the tied to halt. The Mystic scholars and true philosophers of the now and future will I AM convinced, continue throughout the world. Making full use of all available as always. Not least the new global platform of the 21st century and all its technological advances. The unstoppable paradigm shift of the 21st century new millennia. The birth of the Internet. Now knowledge belongs to all, the only true constant is change. No more secrets. So mote it beeeee ........... .
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Post by peter2 on Nov 18, 2013 19:59:37 GMT
> The Buddha knew that one of the many weaknesses the masses maintain is an inability to Master their own memory.
Recital from memory requires increasing the control of thought processes, even under external stimulus. Control of thoughts is an important skill.
>The lost word is a veiled allegory illustrated by symbols.
I have been bemused by the tendency of Masons to take their symbols literally while reciting "veiled in allegory.." One of the key characteristics of speech is the condensation of intent - hence "in the beginning was the word" Thus the allegory of the lost word may tell us that there is some largely unused human capacity for causation by intent.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 18, 2013 21:10:01 GMT
Freemasonry is a wonderful stimulus for the mind.
And like your muscles to improve you excercise.
To excercise a mind it should serch for an answer, lets say a lost word.
It really does not matter what the word is, what matters is that you are looking for it.
We all have a different way of looking at it all.
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Post by Marcus on Nov 19, 2013 9:12:50 GMT
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Thanks Peter, We have an accord. You said - characteristics of speech is the condensation of intent - there is some largely unused human capacity for causation by intent.
Yes – This is the sacred law of affirmation and manifestation, or the power of prayer. A hidden Mystery of nature. Causation by intent is beyond logic and reason, and looking for a rational explanation is the mistake of darkness visible, where the eye of human reason can-not penetrate. The lost word is an emblematic expression for the beginning of spacetime. When the something met the nothing. The primary event.
I think, that it is a mistake to try and resolve the mysteries of any Mystic Order. Our charge is to profoundly understand the question. The lost word is an invitation to scholars and thinkers to dig deep inside their minds or inner chambers, to bring to peace the notion - where did it all begin. In a realm of opposites where life is portrayed as a dramatic linage. The past needs a beginning and the future needs an end. Like the Battle of Armageddon at the end of times. All the great Mystics abandon their dependence on the delusion of past and future time linage. The now is the only real and true occurrence where happiness can manifest and be shared, united in the grand design. Now is real the past is lost.
Maybe – the lost word represents a Human lack of understanding or a failure to listen (Audi vide tace si vis vivere) Sharing ideas expands its potential to influence the future.
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Post by beejay on Nov 19, 2013 23:39:12 GMT
. Maybe – the lost word represents a Human lack of understanding or a failure to listen In that case the Lost Word is not the same as the Genuine Secrets of Freemasonry.
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Post by Marcus on Nov 20, 2013 8:34:39 GMT
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Thanks BJ, You said -- Lost Word is not the same as the Genuine Secrets of Freemasonry
Honest opinion, Of course their meanings are different. The metaphoric title of ‘lost word’ is one of many ‘Genuine secrets’ which is a very good question. We refer to Genuine secrets implying there are non-genuine secrets. A bit like the expression - hidden mysteries – this again implies that there are non-hidden mysteries.
My guess is that this expression denotes the difference between conscious and sub-conscious environments. We at best can only compare God to pure love. This I believe, is a direction for navigation. To understand our true capabilities or our Christhood within, we have to come to terms with the workings of our sub-conscious world. The wages of the inner chamber. Our lost yet berried, hidden but concealed Genuine secrets can be restored when you are the master of God’s creation, Life.
You are life, sentient being sentient Master thy self.
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Post by crossbow on Dec 17, 2013 10:06:06 GMT
The lost word is the driving force behind the manifestations of all existence.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 17, 2013 21:09:08 GMT
The lost word is the driving force behind the manifestations of all existence. How do you think it came to be lost?
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Post by crossbow on Dec 18, 2013 5:06:14 GMT
The lost word is the driving force behind the manifestations of all existence. How do you think it came to be lost? Its not lost. Its where it always has been, within and behind and pushing forth all existence.
Men get lost.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 18, 2013 5:56:29 GMT
It seems that Grand Lodges (and brethren in general) have not made much progress with redisovering the Lost Word.
So how did men (and women?) actually come to lose sight of the Word?
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Post by crossbow on Dec 18, 2013 7:40:28 GMT
It seems that Grand Lodges (and brethren in general) have not made much progress with redisovering the Lost Word. So how did men (and women?) actually come to lose sight of the Word? I expect more have discovered/realised it than let on.
Besides, its more a personal thing for the individual mason than something a Grand Lodge or brethren in general would announce.
why/how?: Its to do with where we are and what we are; our situation and condition. We are on this planet, we have freewill.
Would you agree?
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Post by peter2 on Dec 18, 2013 11:22:45 GMT
It seems to me that the Lost Word is a case of veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols.
So how did the human race lose the Word? Has that anything at all to do with the genuine secrets of a MM?
I seem to recall Blavatsky writing that no Masonic lodges held the genuine secrets. That wording allows that individual Masons did.
As for freewill, that must necessarily be greatly constrained. For example, few people can even control their own thoughts. What is free will when thoughts cannot be controlled?
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Post by crossbow on Dec 18, 2013 15:08:49 GMT
Condition and situation. Try removing the "So how" from the question and muse on it then.
Yes the Word is naturally within the genuine secrets of a MM.
Who is Blavatsky and how does he know that? And why does his statement have authority to allow or disallow anything?
Socrates taught us to first define our terms, for without doing so there can be no clear and structured thought and certainly no clear communication.
Define your use of freewill.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 18, 2013 21:18:56 GMT
>Try removing the "So how" from the question and muse on it then. Let me rephrase that. How did the human race lose knowledge of the Word? >Yes the Word is naturally within the genuine secrets of a MM. Would you like to point out parts of the ritual that tend to confirm that statement? >Who is Blavatsky and how does he know that? And why does his statement have authority to allow or disallow anything? Blavatsky published some remarkable writings that provided a conceptual structure for understanding much of the ancient mysteries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatskyen.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_DoctrineThat work was extended by Bailey in The Treatise on Cosmic Fire The third female writer at that time dealing with profound esoteric matters was Fortune who wrote The Cosmic Doctrine >Socrates taught us to first define our terms, for without doing so there can be no clear and structured thought and certainly no clear communication. A useful initial concept but not necessarily true when the mind moves from logic to experiential approaches. This is because experience precedes conceptualisation at the leading edge of knowingness. >Define your use of freewill. The ability to direct intent without external constraint. An example of constraint is having a mind that is pre-programmed. Francis Xavier is alleged to have said: Give me the child of seven and I will give you the man! More profound constraints exist such as planetary karma.
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Post by crossbow on Dec 20, 2013 6:18:01 GMT
Peter, regarding your statement: “What is free will when thoughts cannot be controlled?”
What does Freemasonry teach us about that?
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Post by peter2 on Dec 20, 2013 6:37:56 GMT
Peter, regarding your statement: “What is free will when thoughts cannot be controlled?” What does Freemasonry teach us about that? The current teachings are indirect, being the tasks of the EA (moral rectitude) and of the FC (hidden mysteries of nature and science). Albert Mackay in The Symbolism of Masonry tells us: "The definition of Freemasonry that it is "a science of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols," has been so often quoted, that, were it not for its beauty, it would become wearisome." www.gutenberg.org/files/11937/11937-h/11937-h.htmThese days we have largely lost sight of the science of morality and now reference a system of morality. The essential benefit of a science is to achieve great results for small effort. Regrettably this concept is not evident in mainstream Masonry and I have so far been unable to identify any explicit teachings about the regaining of the ability to exercise free will. Perhaps you can assist.
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Post by crossbow on Dec 20, 2013 13:00:35 GMT
Peter, regarding your statement: “What is free will when thoughts cannot be controlled?” What does Freemasonry teach us about that? The current teachings are indirect, being the tasks of the EA (moral rectitude) and of the FC (hidden mysteries of nature and science). Albert Mackay in The Symbolism of Masonry tells us: "The definition of Freemasonry that it is "a science of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols," has been so often quoted, that, were it not for its beauty, it would become wearisome." www.gutenberg.org/files/11937/11937-h/11937-h.htmThese days we have largely lost sight of the science of morality and now reference a system of morality. The essential benefit of a science is to achieve great results for small effort. Regrettably this concept is not evident in mainstream Masonry and I have so far been unable to identify any explicit teachings about the regaining of the ability to exercise free will. Perhaps you can assist. Perhaps. Are you a Master Mason? If so, with which order?
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Post by peter2 on Dec 20, 2013 20:09:50 GMT
I was raised in a lodge with its original charter from the Grand Lodge of Scotland.
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Post by crossbow on Dec 21, 2013 2:33:15 GMT
I was raised in a lodge with its original charter from the Grand Lodge of Scotland. Co-masonry Australia?
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Post by peter2 on Dec 21, 2013 3:30:51 GMT
I get around.
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