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Post by Marcus on Dec 4, 2013 9:59:18 GMT
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The pleasure is sharing.
It was said - "Mystery cannot be understood." Which I feel, is a beautiful paradox.
Great Mystics were described as the keepers of the Mysteries, albeit at different times and with different cultures, different allegories, symbols and metaphors. Truth is an unchanging personnel condition and only truth can stand the test of time. All grand or glorious Mysteries were made safe and perpetuated by numerous individuals or groups throughout the past and the present. Logic and reason, opposites and dualities are respected essentials on a psychological journey of expansion. Psychologically we carry a void which can expand or contract. Our minds sense a known and unknown of its sentient phenomena. This sense of the unknown drives the human passion for memorable dramas to encapsulate allegorical explanations and direction of the sacred laws. The ancients used dramas like Noah’s Ark, Mosses, king Solomon, Shiva, Krishna, Brahma and The Buddha to convey principles. We today have the techno virtual platform of the internet with new stars like Google, LinkedIn and Facebook. Fear not, that today’s stars will soon become the historic dramas of the future. No doubt, Elvis Presley is already referred to as the King.
We the present, if to seriously venture into an appreciation of the Mysteries must be prepared to do more than logic and reason. This our human psychological condition in truth is designed for far more than logic and reason. Our capacity to imagine, dream, feel, hope and fear are very real realities of being human. These must have purpose. Our approach to the inner unknown can be gratified by a trusting faithful freedom to embrace, celebrate and then work positively with one’s own imagination, emotions, hopes and fears. To love all of what we are, inner and outer.
The Mysteries are not to be understood, they are lived. Each and every day by the seers.
Dance with Mysteries …….. as they dance with you.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 4, 2013 20:02:14 GMT
The Mysteries are not to be understood, they are lived. Each and every day by the seers. Dance with Mysteries …….. as they dance with you. . So speculation is not an effective path to the Mysteries?
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Post by beejay on Dec 5, 2013 1:41:39 GMT
Is ritual an effective path to living the Mysteries?
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 5, 2013 9:44:13 GMT
Is ritual an effective path to living the Mysteries? Each of us will see that answer differently. Ritual , Mantra, may help I think but it should not be the reason, more a vehicle.
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Post by Marcus on Dec 5, 2013 11:08:06 GMT
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Is ritual an effective path to living the Mysteries?
Quite right – each of us has a different path, different responses, different levels of sentient being sentient. Mantra repetition and military discipline is only an enabler to help reveal to the individual, some of his own true potential. Like martial arts or the confines of a monastery, the objective is to empower the individual.
When the condition of self is truly mastered, one understands the glory and futility of self. You come to understand how most of our physical existence is an essential ritual. Do the ritual well and your ego will be satisfied. Get it wrong and your ego will become disturbed. The ritual teaches us to manage the Ego, not just in Lodge but in life.
A very useful lesson and helps a Master get on with the real work of helping his fellow creatures without the Ego demanding recognition or reward.
The football team need a game to bring them together.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 5, 2013 21:06:45 GMT
What do you think of my theory that links in here.
Submission ?
The clarity of submission to anothers will, as with Master and Pupil. As with Man and God. This is also part of the Ego, complete submission eliminayes the Ego. ??
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Post by beejay on Dec 6, 2013 3:20:47 GMT
The clarity of submission to anothers will, as with Master and Pupil. As with Man and God. This is also part of the Ego, complete submission eliminayes the Ego. ?? I think this is an interesting area. What is the point of humans having free will if they have to give it away to be in with God or with their Master? Are we sure that the Ego ought to be eliminated? Perhaps the human has not been made with excess parts. Perhaps it is a matter of correcting behaviour and finding proper uses?
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 6, 2013 7:22:06 GMT
Well is that not the point - using my FREE will I accept that the Master of my Lodge is in charge. I accept that the Judge can send me to Prison if I commit a crime.
Not suggesting anything be taken away. Purely your choice.
The Ego, well at least mine, is a delicate thing. But you can again use your Free will to determine if you have an Ego and what you do with it.
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Post by Marcus on Dec 6, 2013 11:13:05 GMT
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Beejay said - Are we sure that the Ego ought to be eliminated?
Honest opinion, In truth if we could eliminate the Ego we would no longer be human. Part of the design specification for Humans was to exist and sojourn with an Ego. Point in fact, low self-esteem is a serious social problem. The ego is part of the human journey. A Master has respect for all of this creation, knowing how it all has a function within the geometric architecture of the now. The wonderful works of the almighty. Our condition of sentient being sentient, I AM convinced is one of learning. The ego is one of the many devices to enable knowledge. Knowledge that the self is a deliberate product of the creator's intentions. I feel sure the very best we can do to resolve the microcosm of the macrocosm , or the omniscient omnipotent and omnipresent existence of the true and living Universal governance of everything, is a full Mastership of the Self. The Temple. This means when the Ego is correctly managed by the individual. One can truly focus upon helping others for no reward. Your ego should become your friend not your enemy.
The condition of human Ego is to be mastered. To master the human Ego is to rest assured in the chair of Solomon (Solomon meaning peace and wisdom). Wise peace.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 6, 2013 22:16:01 GMT
The ego is one of the many devices to enable knowledge. ...... This means when the Ego is correctly managed by the individual. One can truly focus upon helping others for no reward. Your ego should become your friend not your enemy. I think you are correct. Does the operation of the uncorrected Ego serve to bring the personality into some sort of order so that self-centered desires can be met? If so, at a later stage, when the personality is in order, it is time to redirect the Ego to higher work.
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Post by Marcus on Dec 11, 2013 8:50:00 GMT
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Peter asked -- operation of the uncorrected Ego // so that self-centred desires can be met? // to redirect the Ego to higher work .
Yes very much so. We the pilgrim, on a sojourn from western to eastern philosophies. A sojourn from the fearsome westerly darkness of a setting sun and pending night, to the easterly elation of the morning sunrise and the dawning of a new day. An elated relief when clear visibility is restored after a journey through the unknown caverns of darkness. Consider the Ego. Allegorical veil – The illusionary arrogance and greed of the untamed human ego is also the source of great pain and suffering. The endless cycles of expectation and disappointment are for many, remain the root-cause of misery. The untamed ego is a sojourn in an ignorance of darkness. Generally speaking, in a materialistic society spiritualty is supressed and selfishness is promoted in support of a consumer culture. The higher work is to Love and give without recognition or reward. To know -- virtue is its own reward. This is true freedom and the true desire of your soul.
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Post by Quin on Dec 13, 2013 23:32:47 GMT
I guess the only comment I can give, about this thread, is that I have a problem with the term "Ego" in general do to the inconsistency in the definition of what an "Ego" is. I relate more to Carl Rogers and many of his Ideas, especially that of the Self Concept, than what came out of the Psycho-dynamic era of psychology.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 14, 2013 2:13:09 GMT
So which of the various intelligences that claim to be the real human, is the real ego?
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Post by Quin on Dec 15, 2013 19:45:42 GMT
Perhaps, you can elaborate on what you mean?
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Post by peter2 on Dec 16, 2013 19:39:27 GMT
People contain various intelligences - for example to operate the physical body independently of thought processes.
And these intelligences operate in people without their understanding. For example it is common to hear:
- I don't understand why I did that - I don't know what came over me - I am not myself at present
At least two of the intelligences attached to us are referred to as Ego.
One Ego operates to control and direct the personality for its own benefit/protection. The other Ego is commonly referred to as the Soul. These two egos compete for control of the personality.
Other intelligences may be present. For example some people can calculate huge numbers or give exact calendar references years ahead (e.g. what date is the 17th Monday in 2066?). These people often experience the data just appearing without calculation. So what intelligence does that for them?
How did JS Bach write music that can be played forwards, backwards, upside down, half speed and double speed - all at the same time - to make a complex whole? Is that really a human skill?
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Post by peter2 on Jan 17, 2014 23:55:02 GMT
So who has observed that they seem to act with different patterns on different occasions?
Is it possible to switch between the patterns (sub-personalities?) at will?
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