I am at the moment a member of a Craft Lodge, a Mark Lodge and a Royal Ark Mariner Commandery. These are all based in Sutton, Surrey.
I also have a Clearance Cert to rejoin a Royal Arch Chapter.
What do I want to do next? I have received an invite to the Ancient & Accepted Rite for England & Wales (Rose+Croix), and I would love to do that.
My brethren in Mark & Ark are always plugging the Allied Masonic Degrees.
Then there is the Order of Eri. Owing to my Hibernian ascendency I have always wanted to join that order. But to join it one has to have reached the 5th Degree in the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia.
As an aside, I wonder how many members there are in the Order of Eri in Surrey? I reckon there's about 2,000 Freemasons in Surrey. How many are in the SRIA? Probably about 100. How many of those have reached the 5th degree? Say 30. How many of that 30 have the vouloir and pouvoir to join the Order of Eri? 5? 6?
I'm pretty sure I saw the Martinists at Sutton once. There were 4 of them. Perhaps some of these orders should drop the qualifications needed to join.
Freeman of the City of Prince George, British Columbia 4th Degree Order of Skinner & Probyn's 18th Degree A&H Art. Company of Mass, USA Orator of the Planispheres &c &c &c GM, Order of Acrimonious Virgin
Do you think that there is some degree/chapter/council that has secrets that you need?
That may be so, but only if you have already done much inner work as the rituals have been damaged by much editing by those without the genuine secrets and the officers mostly carry out their parts with little understanding.
Arguably Royal Ark Mariners marks the most significant entry of the cosmic brethren if they are whom you seek.
Perhaps you are seeking your own kind, in which case the order is less important than the particular chapter/lodge brethren.
Perhaps some of these orders should drop the qualifications needed to join.
Bro Offramp These qualifications are there for a good reason. They ensure that the aspirant is ready to take the next step and has the required knowledge to make use of it. Were these requirements to be removed it would remove all meaning from the rituals. You might as well ask why Universities require one to have attended School prior to enrolling.
Brother Offramp, to answer some of your questions (even if they were somewhat rhetorical) In Surrey there are 3 Colleges of The SRIA however Surrey is only part of the Province of SE Counties, the Province consists of Kent (2 colleges) Sussex (1 + 1 due to be consecrated) and Surrey in Surrey there are approx 90 members of which 2 are members of Eri
Although the criteria for joining Eri according to Jackson's book Beyond The Craft is Grade V that is in fact wrong, it is the minimum requirement for The Unit that meets in Leeds (There are 2 units in England) in London realistically there is no member less than Grade VIII. The interesting thing about Eri is that in The USA it is in fact part of The Allied Masonic Degrees and reasonably easy to join. In England it has always been under the control of The SRIA and they use it as an Order for Senior members to get together, there is no shortage of candidates.
The Martinists do meet in Sutton, there are 15 Lodges under The HOM which is what meets at Sutton, the membership at Sutton is 20 plus and normally meets at least 12-15 occasionally if there are higher degrees being worked they would only meet 5-7. They recently changed the criteria for joining, going back to the original criteria that of being a Master Mason in good standing of a Lodge recognised by UGLE. I would suggest that if you see anyone at Sutton and are interested to know more please approach then you might be surprised at whet you discover! Other than that ask Shelley or Jeff behind the bar to point out a member of HOM and I am sure they will do so discreetly.
I won't be holding my breath waiting on an invite to it. Like the higher degrees in A&AR, you just have to wait until your name gets to the top of the list (that's if it even gets on the list). There's nothing you can do - if it happens, fine. If not, life goes on, and there are plenty of other things to keep you occupied.
omni: In my Lodge the Secretary is a hugh bully along with control issues. if anyone even asks a question he files masonic charges against them. He controls members mostly because they are afraid of him.
Apr 16, 2018 1:07:49 GMT
The Ancient: To omni: Grow some balls, that lodge is yours as well as every member in that lodge. If you are right, its not your problem. Nobody likes the ugliness of masonic charges. Light will always illuminate darkness, don't be afraid, be a better man.
May 27, 2018 15:37:09 GMT
The Ancient: Oh, I am a new member and just wanted to say hi...
May 27, 2018 15:39:10 GMT