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Post by concernedmason on Dec 22, 2015 18:46:21 GMT
I was featured in this odd 'documentary' ---I was just told about it www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZCowkQKwgMy presence in it seems to portray me in a bad light as if I'm obfuscating on the question of the anti-gay discrimination issue. I know the video doesn't have many views but I'm concerned these types of things spread. I own a business and cannot afford to be accused of being anti-gay (or worse, have ANY association with racism). Especially since I have no problem with gays. My nephew is a gay actually. But I was trying not to get involved either way in the issue because I know we're not supposed to involve ourselves. Apparently there are some guys who are gunning against us because of this whole Georgia edict nonsense. What should we do if people ask us questions about the bigotry in Georgia? For the record, I don't support it at all.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 23, 2015 0:05:10 GMT
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Post by Quin on Dec 23, 2015 1:23:31 GMT
I was featured in this odd 'documentary' ---I was just told about it www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZCowkQKwgMy presence in it seems to portray me in a bad light as if I'm obfuscating on the question of the anti-gay discrimination issue. I know the video doesn't have many views but I'm concerned these types of things spread. I own a business and cannot afford to be accused of being anti-gay (or worse, have ANY association with racism). Especially since I have no problem with gays. My nephew is a gay actually. But I was trying not to get involved either way in the issue because I know we're not supposed to involve ourselves. Apparently there are some guys who are gunning against us because of this whole Georgia edict nonsense. What should we do if people ask us questions about the bigotry in Georgia? For the record, I don't support it at all. The world is full of "Must"erbators, especially amongst Obfuscators and Anti Masons. iveronicawalsh.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/the-perils-of-musterbation-demand-thinking/If you don't like the rules of your GL then get involved. But, I'll advise that it's not wise to go on a backstabbing obfuscating campaign, like some Masons in Name Only that I won't name, against your GL or any other GL, because you disagree with that GL's rules. It's best to be honest about how you feel about the rules of your GL, and remember unless your member of a GL you have no say over that GL's affairs. Freemasonry in no way has to subscribe to the PC sophist rhetoric of the media. It take all white balls to elect a man for the degrees of Freemasonry, and only one black cube to reject, so I don't think discrimination is every going to go away. Furthermore, you should never hesitate to cast black cube if you think and feel that a man is unsuitable for the degrees of Freemasonry.
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Post by concernedmason on Dec 23, 2015 4:40:26 GMT
I was featured in this odd 'documentary' ---I was just told about it www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZCowkQKwgMy presence in it seems to portray me in a bad light as if I'm obfuscating on the question of the anti-gay discrimination issue. I know the video doesn't have many views but I'm concerned these types of things spread. I own a business and cannot afford to be accused of being anti-gay (or worse, have ANY association with racism). Especially since I have no problem with gays. My nephew is a gay actually. But I was trying not to get involved either way in the issue because I know we're not supposed to involve ourselves. Apparently there are some guys who are gunning against us because of this whole Georgia edict nonsense. What should we do if people ask us questions about the bigotry in Georgia? For the record, I don't support it at all. The world is full of "Must"erbators, especially amongst Obfuscators and Anti Masons. iveronicawalsh.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/the-perils-of-musterbation-demand-thinking/If you don't like the rules of your GL then get involved. But, I'll advise that it's not wise to go on a backstabbing obfuscating campaign, like some Masons in Name Only that I won't name, against your GL or any other GL, because you disagree with that GL's rules. It's best to be honest about how you feel about the rules of your GL, and remember unless your member of a GL you have no say over that GL's affairs. Freemasonry in no way has to subscribe to the PC sophist rhetoric of the media. It take all white balls to elect a man for the degrees of Freemasonry, and only one black cube to reject, so I don't think discrimination is every going to go away. Furthermore, you should never hesitate to cast black cube if you think and feel that a man is unsuitable for the degrees of Freemasonry. I very much appreciate your feedback. I agree that we as a society have to be very selective. I would never criticize my GL, however, these questions (which I was 'ambushed' with) put me in an awkward position. I cannot criticize my GL but on the other hand if I tell them "no comment" then I am made to look like I support discriminating which I do not. Looks like whoever or whatever LGBT group (I can only assume) is protesting was in San Francisco as well and was far more aggressive www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mfLBU-b60oI'm just curious on how to balance my obligations to my GL with my obligations to my business and my obligations to speak out against something I believe is wrong.
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Post by pan0ptic on Dec 23, 2015 8:45:03 GMT
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Times are changing but not everyone got the memo.
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Post by Quin on Dec 23, 2015 17:49:17 GMT
I was featured in this odd 'documentary' ---I was just told about it www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZCowkQKwgMy presence in it seems to portray me in a bad light as if I'm obfuscating on the question of the anti-gay discrimination issue. I know the video doesn't have many views but I'm concerned these types of things spread. I own a business and cannot afford to be accused of being anti-gay (or worse, have ANY association with racism). Especially since I have no problem with gays. My nephew is a gay actually. But I was trying not to get involved either way in the issue because I know we're not supposed to involve ourselves. Apparently there are some guys who are gunning against us because of this whole Georgia edict nonsense. What should we do if people ask us questions about the bigotry in Georgia? For the record, I don't support it at all. The world is full of "Must"erbators, especially amongst Obfuscators and Anti Masons. iveronicawalsh.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/the-perils-of-musterbation-demand-thinking/If you don't like the rules of your GL then get involved. But, I'll advise that it's not wise to go on a backstabbing obfuscating campaign, like some Masons in Name Only that I won't name, against your GL or any other GL, because you disagree with that GL's rules. It's best to be honest about how you feel about the rules of your GL, and remember unless your member of a GL you have no say over that GL's affairs. Freemasonry in no way has to subscribe to the PC sophist rhetoric of the media. It take all white balls to elect a man for the degrees of Freemasonry, and only one black cube to reject, so I don't think discrimination is every going to go away. Furthermore, you should never hesitate to cast black cube if you think and feel that a man is unsuitable for the degrees of Freemasonry. There nothing wrong with having the belief about something you want changed within your GL. As I said get involed with you GL, but remember people dont always get their way, even in Freemasonry. And that OK, thats just part of life.
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Post by rjackson35 on Dec 23, 2015 18:14:00 GMT
I was actually at the World Conference in San Francisco and saw exactly what it was that the OP is discussing. I believe this is some type of radical homosexual group that is getting upset. At least, when we were arriving at the banquet at the City Hall, some transvestite protester asked me why I was "spitting on Harvey Milk's grave". Personally, I don't care for San Francisco or the radical groups in the city but I do think that this issue is one of importance. We as Masons MUST be selective about who we admit. If a man happens to be gay and is otherwise of impeccable character, I see no problem with him joining. And I agree with the concern of the OP that this will lead to boycotts of our businesses and protesters. But I refuse to admit men who are not otherwise qualified just because radical groups are threatening us.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 23, 2015 19:01:35 GMT
I dont quite see what the problem is the Boys and Girls club gave a glowing reference.
Perhaps ask this Guy for an interview on ' Why he has a biased view of Freemasonry and purports to be a Video Journalist'. Lots of accusations but no actual proof.
These Guys that bash a Group always have a motive. They want to sell something or they are Religious zealots who want to sell something. I know you can get payments from youtube if you get enough clicks.
The Guy who made the above clip
gloriousperson - Has 10 clips on youtube all of them Mason Bashing. If he were a film maker you would expect some other subjects. I would suggest a film crew round his house and politely aslk why he is doing this.
You can not deny that some GL's are refusing some groups but that is their right to do so but let them explain to this Guy.
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Post by flux on Dec 24, 2015 2:03:23 GMT
I HAVE BENNED THIS POSTER ONLY CAME ON HERE TO MAKE ONE POST AND A HATEFUL POST.
I leave it in place to show what we will not put up with on this forum.
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Post by Quin on Dec 24, 2015 22:38:59 GMT
Some brother might be disturbed by some group posting video painting Freemasonry in a bad light. Especially over the GL of Georgia decision to exclude Homosexuals, from being raised or being members of their jurisdiction. However, I've chosen to become fascinated over the fact that there are some individuals, who hold the irrational belief that they or their group "must be accepted", by a group that has clearly stated that they are not accepted. Talk about people with self validation issues. As for the GL of Georgia, I respect the right of any Gl or any private Fraternity or Organization to set and determine the Standards and Qualifications of who is acceptable and who is not acceptable to be a member. Don't like the rules of your GL, then get involved.
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Post by pan0ptic on Dec 24, 2015 23:20:22 GMT
Good question
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 25, 2015 2:42:39 GMT
Yes I would agree it is a good question.
We seem to have some conflicts between the Law and Freemasonry.
While I understand The Law differs from Country to Country and Sate to State. Most Countries have anti discrimination Laws.
With regard to the Male Female laws there is always the argument that there isWomens or Co Masonry available.
I do not see how a similar argument can apply to Gays. Maybe someone has an opposing view.
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Post by pan0ptic on Dec 25, 2015 3:05:40 GMT
It is really remarkable if you ask me.
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Post by Warrior1256 on Apr 30, 2016 23:39:23 GMT
I dont quite see what the problem is the Boys and Girls club gave a glowing reference. Perhaps ask this Guy for an interview on ' Why he has a biased view of Freemasonry and purports to be a Video Journalist'. Lots of accusations but no actual proof. These Guys that bash a Group always have a motive. They want to sell something or they are Religious zealots who want to sell something. I know you can get payments from youtube if you get enough clicks. The Guy who made the above clip gloriousperson - Has 10 clips on youtube all of them Mason Bashing. If he were a film maker you would expect some other subjects. I would suggest a film crew round his house and politely aslk why he is doing this. You can not deny that some GL's are refusing some groups but that is their right to do so but let them explain to this Guy. Exactly! The guy just has a problem with Freemasony, period. No amount of explaination is going to change a Mason basher's mind.
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