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Post by peter2 on Jan 6, 2017 22:24:14 GMT
> I have an on-again-off-again project that started with "why no iron or metallic substances."
That is not too hard.
Tubal Cain (the goat-footed god of the Kenites/Cainites) was supposed to have taught the use of metals, particularly for war, and introduced human women to makeup.
In order to qualify for the Temple in the Heavens, the brethren need to learn to pass by worldly possessions - including those taken by force of arms.
There is an interesting account that the 3 ruffians would not discard their worldly possessions and therefore were not admitted to the genuine secrets. The worldly possessions in their case were apparently psychic abilities that of course have no place in the Temple in the Heavens.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 6, 2017 22:33:43 GMT
>my research segued into the phonetic alphabet.
As far as I know the earliest written language is Cuneiform and that is phonetic.
There is a curious story about the US Army engineers, about 1941, searching caves in New Mexico (as I recall) and finding what they thought were remains of an alien conflict and examples of alien script. Eventually they found a Sumerian scholar who was able to read it somewhat - the script being similar to cuneiform.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 6, 2017 22:38:26 GMT
>Any culture is an order of sensory preferences
That seems a materialistic proposition. I think that native peoples, traditionally have rather more extensive inner world contacts than Westerners. Their cultures seem often to be an order of metaphysical preferences.
The Australian aborigines are an obvious example. Landscape features are extensively interpreted as resulting from the movements and interactions of metaphysical creatures and must be managed on that basis.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 6, 2017 23:24:49 GMT
Why would you think that Tubal Cain is the same as Pan?
Did Pan smelt metal?
Did Pan incite men to war?
What does the term panic emotion refer to?
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Post by peter2 on Jan 6, 2017 23:58:53 GMT
The story of the broken pillar goes back to the Widow Isis.
The Tears of Isis appear on the floor cloths of early French Masonry
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Post by peter2 on Jan 7, 2017 0:30:25 GMT
> I'm saying the Goat Foot God and Pan are the same.
It is certainly a common usage - but I do not know why there should only be one god with goat-feet.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 7, 2017 0:36:42 GMT
>Like isis, Hera was considered a Triple Goddess. Possibly so, but the 18th century French Masons were quite specific about Isis. >Can you tie Horus or Osiris to metalworking? I have not seen such references but when I look up Horus the Elder I find that Horus the Younger was reputedly the god of The Forge City.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 7, 2017 3:30:58 GMT
Nope. Cuneiform wasn’t phonetic,...
Are these not phonemes?
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Post by peter2 on Jan 7, 2017 3:50:40 GMT
... Might it instead be Jacob of the Book of Genesis, he who wrestled with an angel of God and wound up lame as a result? (Genesis 32, 24-32)
I rather prefer Jewish translations: 28 (29) And he said, Shimcha shall be called no more Ya’akov, but Yisroel: for sarita im Elohim ([yisrah=to prevail + El=G-d = Yisroel] ye have striven with Elohim) and with anashim, and hast overcome. 29 (30) And Ya’akov asked him, and said, Tell me, now, shemecha. And he said, Why is it that thou dost ask after shmi? And he made a brocha upon him there. 30 (31) And Ya’akov called the shem of the makom (place) Peniel [Face of G-d): for I have seen Elohim panim el panim, and my nefesh is saved. www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032:24-30&version=OJBThus in the Jewish tradition Jacob wrestled with Elohim (God) and therefore named the place Peniel having seen God panim el panim: face to face Although Moses forbade worship of other gods, there has been a great reluctance recently to name those other gods. For example Jerusalem was named for the Canaanite god Shalim. Thus we find the Bible downgrades the gods of various peoples to humans. This includes Tubal Cain. Theologically it is much simpler. Interestingly this struggle results in Jacob's nefesh being saved. The nefesh is the live part that breathes - the life of the physical body. It is the lowest of the 3 levels of the soul. The spirit is beyond. www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380651/jewish/Levels-of-Soul-Consciousness.htm
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Post by peter2 on Jan 7, 2017 4:08:23 GMT
>Azazel (who also taught men to forge swords and make shields, metallurgy and mining.)
Quite so.
Now the name Tubal Cain is interesting. Cain (qayin) is a smith or a spear
Tubal is harder: to conduct, bear along. Or: product of the soil.
And it is easy to relate Tubal Cain to Vulcan
If the TU is dropped we have Baal Cain - Lord Smith.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 7, 2017 20:19:13 GMT
>wood-spirits in the form of goats appears to be both widespread
And these wood spirits taught humans blacksmithing - cutting down lots of trees in the process?
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