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Post by ritualist on Feb 25, 2017 22:43:07 GMT
Has anyone has a go at writing their own ritual? It seems quite an interesting thing to do, but it is hard to be original.
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Post by peter2 on Feb 26, 2017 6:43:26 GMT
I have seen an outline for a new set of rituals but those rituals require rather more esoteric practice then I have found amongst Freemasons, being based on relationships with the intelligences of Nature.
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Post by boreades on Feb 27, 2017 21:14:38 GMT
A fascinating question.
Which type of lodge would be the most receptive? I suppose it depends on how original the ritual is? Or how much it deviates from existing ritual? Or how much it upsets the existing brethren?
e.g. a revision of ritual to its Mithraic origins. Bit too bloody for some, what with the literal oaths and all that. ;-)
But there must be some space for some more Gnostic ritual. Much like that advocated by Albert Pike in Morals and Dogma?
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Post by peter2 on Feb 28, 2017 9:46:57 GMT
I think that some of the rituals of Europe introduce the candidate to the elementals of Earth, Water, Fire and Air.
This is an entry to the work of the FC - the hidden mysteries of nature and science.
Understanding the ritual outline I have seen requires considerable progress in the work of the FC.
> there must be some space for some more Gnostic ritual
That rather depends upon what is the work of MMs in the temple that extends from E to W etc.
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Post by boreades on Mar 1, 2017 17:20:03 GMT
As a Royal Arch Companion perhaps?
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Post by peter2 on Mar 1, 2017 20:55:33 GMT
The ritual of Holy Royal Arch does extend back to the earliest Sumerian and Egyptian times - and the triple word is a substitute based on the 3 leading Sumerian gods.
But the work represented by Chapter (ignoring the later addition of the Scottish vault) occurs more in the solar system than across the planet.
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Post by seekinglight on Apr 6, 2017 16:38:33 GMT
Just remembered this thread and had to comment with something I thought of; here it goes in the next post (so I get lucky #7)
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Post by seekinglight on Apr 6, 2017 17:02:36 GMT
The following idea is the end part of a Gnostic ritual that I thought of in my head and felt I needed to share here when I remembered this thread: D = Demiurge C = Candidate G = Gabriel M = Michael D: I bid thou my child, bow before my feet and be cleansed of thy sins. C: I will not. D: Who is a creature to defy his Creator? Therefore bow before me upon pain of Death and Hell C: I will not. D: I bid thou satisfy my curiosity and speak: why doth thou refuse to bow before me? C: Because your are an impostor and the Father of Lies, therefore I will not defile myself and bow before thee. D: Very well. Therefore because you have refused to bow before me know this: misery and torment shall follow you here and in the hereafter, for ye shall know that I am the LORD when my vengeance shall befall thee. Actor playing the Demiurge walks over to the Candidate while drawing his sword. When the Demiurge is walking towards the candidate, the actor playing Gabriel blows his horn: G: "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." - Revelation 12:7-10 KJV The actor playing Michael wars against the actor playing the Demiurge with swords. The actor playing Michael wins after a battle (27 seconds?) and ends in this position: M: Seest thou the plans that the Impostor had for thee? C: I do. M: Therefore will thou bow before the true God, not in blind submission, but with the full knowledge of the good life both here and in the hereafter that the true God has planned for thee? C: I will. Candidate kneels before the altar and kisses the Holy Bible. G: "Afterwards I heard what sounded like the mighty roar of a vast crowd in Heaven, crying, “Alleluia! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for his judgments are true and just. He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her wickedness, and he has avenged upon her the blood of his servants!” Then they cried a second time, “Alleluia! The smoke of her destruction ascends for timeless ages!” 4 Then the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures prostrated themselves and worshipped God who is seated upon the throne, saying, “Amen, alleluia!” 5 Then out of the throne came a voice, saying, “Praise our God, all you who serve him, all you who reverence him, both small and great!” 6-8 And then I heard a sound like the voices of a vast crowd, the roar of a great waterfall and the rolling of heavy thunder, and they were saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, has come into his kingdom! Let us rejoice, let us be glad with all our hearts. Let us give him the glory, for the wedding-day of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. She may be seen dressed in linen, gleaming and spotless—for such linen is the righteous living of the saints!”" Revelation 19: 1-8 (Phillips)
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Post by peter2 on Apr 6, 2017 22:09:14 GMT
The Gnostic approach is a good one particularly for those raised in the Judeo-Christian tradition. My own preference is to clarify, experientially if possible, the connection between the candidate and the Cosmos which then gives a context to the humanoid gods that sometimes walk the Earth. The Egyptian/Isiac raising went part way to this. The candidate was taken out of the body into the solar system - seeing the Sun during the night - and was introduced to the gods in the heavens and then the gods in the Earth. "Understand that I approached the bounds of death, I trod the threshold of Proserpine, and after that I was ravished through all the elements, I returned to my proper place; about midnight I saw the sun brightly shine; I saw likewise the gods celestial and the gods infernal, before whom I presented myself and worshiped them." www.sacred-texts.com/cla/pr/pr09.htmAs you have done, it is good to clarify the relationship between the candidate and the demiurge - but since the demiurge continues to exist, it is perhaps wise to be polite. I might also draw your attention to Deuteronomy 32:8 "When the Most High gave to the nations When He separated the children of men, He set the borders of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. 9For the portion of the LORD is His people, Jacob the lot of His inheritance." Thus we see that the Lord of Israel was allocated those people (sons of Jacob) by the Most High. The other gods got the rest of the Earth humans and were their Lords. The Lord of Israel dealt with the problem of having so few people allocated to him. Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. .... for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me. Thus we see that the Israelites were given no choice about which of the gods they served on the pain of punishment of their great grandchildren. These days even humans know not to be jealous. I suspect that the characters known as Gabriel and Michael appear in other mythological traditions but not named as angels. Angelos is Greek for messenger. It is not a statement of spiritual status. Sumerian accounts may be useful.
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Post by seekinglight on Apr 7, 2017 0:40:44 GMT
In your opinion, is the 'god of this world' mentioned in the New Testament synonymous with the demiurge, or are they separate entities? I haven't looked into this a ton, it just seemed to be a cool idea for a Gnostic ritual. I've heard that Plato viewed the demiurge as being essentially good.
When I contemplate the existence of Hell I have a hard time seeing how the demiurge could be viewed as good in any sense of the word.
The beginning of this George Carlin bit seems a pretty good description of the demiurge (although obviously I disagree with the atheism apparent in this video):
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Post by peter2 on Apr 7, 2017 7:18:29 GMT
> is the 'god of this world' mentioned in the New Testament synonymous with the demiurge I suggest you read Sitchin's books. Start with The Twelfth Planet. Most of the books are on line. There you will learn of the Prince of Peace and the Prince of Darkness - the warring sons of Anu (the Most High). Anu ascended up into the Heavens leaving the 2 sons to look after the planet. The John sign refers. philipcoppens.com/johngesture.html>When I contemplate the existence of Hell I dare say that you are considering the Christian concept. This formulation was to encourage faithfulness in the congregation. "only this church can save you from hell". The Jews did not have that concept. Read more widely. The gnostics had to be suppressed because they considered that each could have his/her own relationship with Spirit and therefore did not require a priest or a church. If a human contains divine Spirit, how can a human ever be lost. All that happens is the human loses sight for a while of what it truly is - an aspect of the Source of All.
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Post by seekinglight on Apr 10, 2017 17:09:18 GMT
From the little I've seen so far, Enki seems to be the good guy and Enlil is basically Satan. I've seen Enlil described as the god of the air, which parallels with the Christian interpretation of Satan as the 'prince of power of air'. I've also seen Enlil described as Jehovah.
I haven't gone too deeply into the research yet, but if Jehovah and Satan are the same being and he lead the world into thinking that he is god, that would be a pretty fitting description for the 'beast that lead the whole world astray'.
That being said hopefully even the worst can change.
But I may be a bit mixed up on my facts so far, time to do some more research!
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Post by peter2 on Apr 10, 2017 21:05:14 GMT
> Enlil described as Jehovah It took me 10 years to work out that Enlil (EA) is not Jehovah. Jehovah is a lesser god,perhaps 2 generations later. >Enlil is basically Satan It is useful to distinguish between the Prince of Darkness (Enlil) and Satan (the tempter). In any case Enlil is the Prince of Darkness primarily from the human perspective. He wanted to let the human race be destroyed by flood because it was so noisy. Enki/EA wanted to save his human race. He bred them. Here is EA in his laboratory - sitting on a structure of round-bottomed flasks being used for distillation - with a birth goddess being brought to him. Notice the hands held up as if just washed and being kept sterile.
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Post by squarethecarpet on Apr 15, 2017 22:17:17 GMT
"D: I bid thou my child, bow before my feet and be cleansed of thy sins."
Why do people still think that speech in rituals has to use Thee and Thou language? It puts up an immediate mental barrier in the hearer.
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Post by peter2 on Apr 16, 2017 0:36:11 GMT
>speech in rituals has to use Thee and Thou
None of the rituals with which I am familiar use those terms.
Perhaps the rituals you know are wiccan.
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Post by seekinglight on Apr 16, 2017 13:27:19 GMT
I'm not really experienced in ritual, I just think it sounds cooler with the Shakespeare/KJV type language.
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 22, 2017 17:19:04 GMT
The ritual of Holy Royal Arch does extend back to the earliest Sumerian and Egyptian times - and the triple word is a substitute based on the 3 leading Sumerian gods. But the work represented by Chapter (ignoring the later addition of the Scottish vault) occurs more in the solar system than across the planet. I would be interested to know which word you refer the UK word is not the same as US.
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 22, 2017 17:29:45 GMT
There are some sections in Royal Arch that repeat Bible verse do includes some old phrasing.
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Post by peter2 on Apr 22, 2017 20:45:39 GMT
>which word
The 3 most important Sumerian gods, from the lowest are Ea, Baal, An.
Is that clear enough?
These are not personal names and they respectively translate as:
- House in the Water (equivalent to Buck House) - Lord - Heaven
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Post by peter2 on Apr 22, 2017 20:52:46 GMT
>sections in Royal Arch that repeat Bible verse do includes some old phrasing.
I am not familiar with your ritual.
I also note that decoding Holy Royal Arch is partially dependent on knowing why An was called Holy Arch by the ancient Egyptians.
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