Here is an eye witness statement from an Isaic initiate (the mysteries of the Widow Isis)
"Understand that I approached the bounds of death, I trod the threshold of Proserpine, and after that I was ravished through all the elements, I returned to my proper place; about midnight I saw the sun brightly shine; I saw likewise the gods celestial and the gods infernal, before whom I presented myself and worshiped them." www.sacred-texts.com/cla/pr/pr09.htm
Our current 3rd degree approaches the bounds of death but not nearly as closely as this fellow who was taken out of his body to meet the gods in the heavens (thereby seeing the sun at its meridian at night) and the gods within the earth
Alexander the Great was considered a god even though he was also considered to be a man, the concept of god is different in different times and cultures. Japanese culture used to consider everyone to be gods because gods there means something different. When the Japanese were defeated after WW2 the Emperor of Japan was told to renounce being a god the Japanese people laughed because that would of meant he was an animal! 😂
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>Plato considers these things debased:
These days it is not required that humans believe the statements of the ancients.
Can you find any native people on the planet that believe that they were neither descended from sky peoples (gods) nor the direct creation of those gods?
If all native peoples believe in direct intervention I would be inclined to accept that - particularly as there is not much evidence that we are more intelligent than our ancestors.
And if you examine closely photos of our moon and other moons and planets there are many examples of what might be technology and installations.
And the father of rocketry in Nazi Germany, Hermann Oberth, when asked said: "We cannot take credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone. We have been helped, and we have been helped by the people of other worlds."
‘It is clear that various Roman emperors wanted to be gods. Why did they think that was possible?’
Simple answer: that was started by Alexander, check out Gareth Knight: Experience Of the Inner Worlds: he explains all of this in the first Chapter...
But as I said: it all depends on which part of history your talking about, who’s writing and about whom.
I personally am a Monotheist. My own beliefs are that Animism and Polytheism as cruder forms of belief than Monotheism. The lead to delusion. The Greeks and Romans and many other cultures tried to copy the Egyptians. The Egyptians went through many stages in their spirituality this is certainly clear. By the time the Greeks and Romans turned up 1000s of years into their culture it has debased into a mess of cultic idol worship and ‘occult’ practices, pretty much like our society now!
I never disputed the ‘gods’ etc might not be extra terrestrials.... There is certainly compelling evidence for this in holy scriptures..., I just stated that it depends on you definition of God, or ‘gods’.
Also bear in mind that when you were referring to offspring of gods.... the ancients used sexual reproduction in their language frequently to describe what would now describe in scientific principles and/or other language.
I read the other day that Google does not like employing university graduates as they require too much retraining.
No your correct literacy is certainly only one skill....
Monotheistic/Polytheistic beliefs..... it all depends of definition and understanding.... If you want to waste your life talking to stones rocks and plants expecting them to help you then be my guest.... they will not talk back to you.... you might be surprised! Meditating on the divine attributes might prove more productive....but that my own personal belief!
>I never disputed the ‘gods’ etc might not be extra terrestrials.
I understood that you thought that they represented scientific principles. I must have misread your post.
>the ancients used sexual reproduction in their language
When the Sumerian gods were developing their slave race they had multiple failures including one version that that could not hold its urine and another that could not breed.
>waste your life talking to stones rocks and plants
I had a table at an open day offering a course. On the table I put toy stuffed cat. Various people stopped to talk. I asked all of them whether the cat liked them. None said they could not tell. About half reported that the cat did not like them. They were quite correct.
1 Cor 2:10 YLT: for the Spirit all things doth search, even the depths of God
Thus we may find Spirit in all things even those that we consider inferior.
Extraterrestrials yes or scientific principles to an older world view. A comet is seen in the heavens, a women goes round healing the sick miraculously, she’s a Goddess who came from Heaven in a shower of stars.... we don’t know how she did it but according to our belief system and cosmology this is what the gods do....because that’s our science I however believe she was an alien in a flying saucer.....
I thought you wrote earlier that the ancients did not know anymore or any less nor were they necessarily correct? But clearly you can see the differences right?
'In Freemasonry the Entered Apprentice is expected to establish right relationships internally and externally. This, when properly done, opens the way for the work of the Fellowcraft which is the study of the hidden mysteries of nature and science. (This is rarely taken seriously)
These two works when properly done open the way for work in the planetary temple that extends for East to West and North to South and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens. (I have met few humans that are competent in this)'
this is the kind of statement that makes me feel Freemasonry would be the right 'system' for me. I pass by a lodge everyday in my way to work, and though I wouldnt know how, I always think about trying to join it, but in more than one forum I read some lodges are much more like places for social interaction/networking nowdays than places where one can seek for true enlightenment. I mean, is there any truth in that statement? and if there is, is there any way I can be sure I would be joining a 'serious' lodge, if I´m allowed to put it that way? I apologize if I sound in any way disrespectful. not my intention at all. I would also appreciate any advice on how to approach a lodge or apply for affiliation, if this is possible... and sorry if this is off topic, I just wrote it here because the quote really standed out for me.
>makes me feel Freemasonry would be the right 'system'
You will note my use of "rarely" and "few". You would need unusually good karma to find a lodge that actively pursues Masonic Science.
>some lodges are much more like places for social interaction/networking nowdays than places where one can seek for true enlightenment
Lodges typically contain good men (and women in some orders) that like to associate with good men and like to do ritual. In my observation the brethren have known each other in past lives - usually in monasteries and are used to eating together and doing ritual together. Such people may meet up in any suitable social structure.
English-speaking Freemasonry has been in decline worldwide since about 1950. The peak membership was ex-soldiers seeking brotherhood and meaning in a secular world. Very few were interested in the inner work of Masonic Science.
In my view the current format of Freemasonry has reached the end of a cycle and the Light available in the ritual has been declining for at least 30 years. I have been surveying elderly brethren and all that I have asked agree that the ritual is not as powerful as when they first joined.
That said, there is much that can be learned in Freemasonry by those that work hard spiritually. So if you have inner practices that are effective, I suggest that you phone the secretaries of nearby lodges and converse about the spiritual aspects that interest you. When you find a secretary that has the same interests as you, you may well find that his lodge is suitable for you.
I rang perhaps 6 lodge secretaries before I found one reading the same books. I am still in that lodge.
it took me a long, long time to finally feel/find the right time and place to ask those questions. surely for a reason. those were the exact answers I´ve been looking for, peter2, so thank you very much, I really appreciate it!
"You will note my use of "rarely" and "few". You would need unusually good karma to find a lodge that actively pursues Masonic Science."
Paul Foster Case says one of the traits of a true adept is a good sense of humour. now, I don´t know any adept (as far as I know), but I´m inclined to believe this is true.
in connection with this, I thought I should share some useless culture, obviously of no practical value (I might be wrong), but anyway, In my city (I live in Brazil), cops would always patrol the streets walking in pairs in the old days, and people would generally refer to them as 'peter & paul'. but peter & paul are gone nowdays, our third world streets became too dangerous even for the police, you know, and time and again we will hear an elder one saying 'if we still had peter & paul walking on the streets this and that wouldn´t be happening', 'peter & paul should never have left the streets', etc.