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Post by keith on Dec 5, 2006 23:31:39 GMT
In New Zealand Craft Freemasonry consists of 3 Degrees, EA, FC and MM althoug a further 3 are recognised as pure antient Freemasonry ( Masrk Master, Excellent Master and Royal Arch) which are administerd by the Supreme Grand Royal Arch Chapter of New Zealand. This is somewhat diiferent from England where Mark Master is apparently a separate Lodge.
THen there are other independent Masonic Orders, usually known here as "side" orders, including the AASR which is usually known as "Rose Croix". Membership is restricted to trinitarian Christions and by invitation only.
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Post by kizzy on Dec 6, 2006 5:03:54 GMT
Yes indeed, as is too often the case UGLE is the odd man out in Freemasonry as Mark is separate from Craft owing to a historical anomoly. Back in the mid 19th century or thereabouts there was actually a vote taken in Grand Lodge to incorporate Mark into Craft but owing to one of those pedantic procedural devices beloved of Lawyers but hated by people like myself the Minutes of the Meeting were subsequently not adopted and this fell. Thus unlike other Constitutions a member can be elevated into Royal Arch in UGLE without having first been advanced into Mark. One of the reasons I became a Mark Master Mason before becoming an RA Companion was to "repair that loss" in my own case and do things in the proper order.
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Post by jmd on Dec 6, 2006 9:54:55 GMT
For what it's worth, the situation of the clear separation and distinction between Mark and Chapter is also the case under UGLV in Victoria, with many a Brother in one or the other, but not both.
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 6, 2006 10:58:55 GMT
There is a tradition that both Rites "come together" at the ne plus ultra degree in the Scottish & its KT equivalent in the York. This does not occur, as such, but may simply mean, at that point a Mason of either Rite is entitled to further membership, e.g., Shriners.
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Post by vadro on Dec 6, 2006 10:59:44 GMT
In Italy the Mark is part of the Chapter, and the York Rite comprehends the Chapter, Council and KT. i Believe similar to the American system.
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Post by Bettendorf on Dec 6, 2006 15:41:24 GMT
There is a tradition that both Rites "come together" at the ne plus ultra degree in the Scottish & its KT equivalent in the York. This does not occur, as such, but may simply mean, at that point a Mason of either Rite is entitled to further membership, e.g., Shriners. Yes, this once was true in the United States, but now the only requirements for a Brother to become a Shriner is that he is a Master Mason. The Shrine has become so popular here in the United States that some States have even lessened the amount of proficiency work for each degree, as I know from a Mason whom is related to me, was a Mason before me, who joined the Craft for the main purpose of becoming a Shriner.
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