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Post by peter2 on Aug 13, 2017 11:13:47 GMT
> Hiram referred to in the passage from the Jewish Encyclopedia may be the other Hiram, the prince of Tyre
Quite right I had forgotten some of the details.
I rather suspect that the HR root is given different vowels in different traditions:
- Heru - Horus - Hercules - Hermes - Hera - Hiram
All those are heroes.
Horus was the son of the Widow Isis - by artificial insemination - and later he raised his father Osiris.
This was preserved in the first version of the 3rd degree where Noah was raised by his sons
Now the father of Hiram King of Tyre was Abibaal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abibaal
Abibaal means: Baal was my father. This means that HKT was the grandson of Baal. Baal means lord and can either refer to a god or a husband. The name Abibaal would indicate that the Baal was so well known that he did not need to be named.
So do we have a more specific name for HKT's grandfather?
If the grandfather was Osiris then HKT was related to Hiram Abiff - and the name Hiram starts to look as if it means "prince"
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Post by Lux Aeterna on Aug 13, 2017 11:48:10 GMT
You make a very good point about the root HR. It's so easy to forget that Hebrew is written without (most) vowels. Apparently Hiram is a Hebrew name meaning "brother of the exalted one" - see here for example: babynames.allparenting.com/list/Hebrew_Baby_Names/Hiram/details/ So now we are, of course, curious about who the two Hirams had as brothers. As for Baal, the Wikipedia entry suggests various interpretations: Was HKT a Canite too?
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Post by Lux Aeterna on Aug 13, 2017 11:58:23 GMT
Apparently 'Abi' could also be used as a proper name:
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Post by 2211 on Aug 13, 2017 20:37:05 GMT
Shakespeare, Francis Bacon, Dante and Mr EDL himself reminds us of Hiram and his story...I suspect EDL was operative more than Speculative
>who or what is Hiram Abiff
What is Hiram Abiff 72 or 55 for the numerologist.
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Post by peter2 on Aug 13, 2017 21:40:54 GMT
>72 or 55 for the numerologist
Depending upon the English phonetics proposed.
I think is better to go back before the Jewish accounts. Their scribes were inclined to plagiarize and alter earlier accounts to make their god and themselves the center of existence. Genesis is obviously plagarized from the Sumerian accounts.
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Post by 2211 on Aug 14, 2017 21:13:35 GMT
>Depending upon the English phonetics proposed.
Granted English is probably the worst language to uncover truth within numbers, degrading itself through time. It works with names
>I think is better to go back before the Jewish accounts. Their scribes were inclined to plagiarize and alter earlier accounts to make their god and themselves the center of existence. Genesis is obviously plagarized from the Sumerian accounts
Good point. Is there a trusted source that contains all of the Sumerian tablets? They seem scattered at best.
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Post by peter2 on Aug 14, 2017 21:54:26 GMT
>Is there a trusted source that contains all of the Sumerian tablets? Quite a lot have still to be discovered - as well as technology of the gods still buried in the Middle East. Perhaps it is not just about oil. Saddam Hussein thought he was the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar and was rebuilding Babylon, but his gods did not step out to defend him. www.olivetreeviews.org/e-updates/jans-articles/item/704-saddam-hussein-and-nebuchadnezzar-a-tale-of-two-kings I suspect that humans have become more competent in dealing with alien gods and they keep to the background these days. I rather like the writings of Sitchin. His translations infuriate the academics but they seem pretty good to me - bearing in mind that he takes a materialist approach to subjects that are often based on etheric technology. It is probably best to start with the Twelfth Planet. www.amazon.com/Twelfth-Planet-Book-Earth-Chronicles/dp/0061379131If you look around you can find most of his works online. His work gives the best material for decoding the rituals of Holy Royal Arch and Rose Croix
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Post by maat on Aug 15, 2017 1:28:06 GMT
I had a dream many years ago in which two brothers were featured... they told me they were sitchins (?!) Sometime later, I Googled the word... and it was only then that I discovered it was a person's name..Zacharia Sitchin, scholar and author. His translation of the Sumerian Tablets tells in part the story of two brothers. I was fortunate enough to correspond with Mr Sitchin for a short time before his death. He told me he shared my story with his audience at the Philadelphia Library.
Make of it what you will.
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Post by maat on Aug 15, 2017 1:32:10 GMT
Abi - father of ff - ??
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Post by maat on Aug 15, 2017 1:58:12 GMT
To the initiated Builder the name CHiram Abiff signifies "My Father, the Universal Spirit, one in essence, three in aspect." Thus the murdered Master is a type of the Cosmic Martyr--the crucified Spirit of Good, the dying god--whose Mystery is celebrated throughout the world. Among the manuscripts of Dr. Sigismund Bastrom, the initiated Rosicrucian, appears the following extract from von Welling concerning the true philosophic nature of the Masonic CHiram:
"The original word חירם, CHiram, is a radical word consisting of three consonants ח ר and ם i. e. Cheth, Resh and Mem. (1) ח, Cheth, signifies Chamah, the Sun's light, i. e. the Universal, invisible, cold fire of Nature attracted by the Sun, manifested into light and sent down to us and to every planetary body belonging to the solar system. (2) ר, Resh, signifies ריח Ruach, i. e. Spirit, air, wind, as being the Vehicle which conveys and collects the light into numberless Foci, wherein the solar rays of light are agitated by a circular motion and manifested in Heat and burning Fire. (3) ם, or מ Mem, signifies majim, water, humidity, but rather the mother of water, i. e. Radical Humidity or a particular kind of condensed air. These three constitute the Universal Agent or fire of Nature in one word, חירם, CHiram, not Hiram."
The Secret Teachings of All Ages Manly P Hall
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Post by 2211 on Aug 17, 2017 0:56:07 GMT
I will check sitchin, I prefer the paper copy. Are there a large number of seals in this book?
Huram= life Ab = father I = God Huram Abi meaning " God, the Father of Life " The cosmic death and rebirth Huram Abi
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Post by peter2 on Aug 17, 2017 1:19:49 GMT
>sitchin, I prefer the paper copy. Are there a large number of seals in this book?
He writes plainly but there is still the issue of a materialist approach when reality extends beyond matter.
>Huram= life
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
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Post by 2211 on Aug 17, 2017 2:02:13 GMT
>Huram= life
>>“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
H= 5 U= 6 R= 2 A= 1 M= 4 Using Kabalastic number symbolism(Hebrew alphabet) 18 signifies resurrection and life (both fitting for the cosmic cycle of Huram Abi) chai
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Post by peter2 on Aug 17, 2017 2:57:01 GMT
"hi'-ram (chiram; Septuagint Chiram, but Cheiram, in 2 Samuel 5:11; 1 Chronicles 14:1): "
It is always difficult to apply numerology on a phonetic reproduction in another language.
It may be better to do it in the original language - in this case ancient Egyptian.
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Post by 2211 on Aug 17, 2017 11:18:44 GMT
Hiram of Tyre isn't the same as cosmic Huram
My intention wasn't to apply the Kabbalastic numerology to a king of Tyre. It's to be applied to the astronomical Huram Abi, life/death/ resurrection.
Attempts to link the two hirams into an absolute one are futile
Whenever possible I will go back to Egyptian roots, particularly the sound of a word
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Post by peter2 on Aug 17, 2017 12:47:38 GMT
>cosmic Huram
In which tradition can I find the cosmic Huram?
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Post by 2211 on Aug 18, 2017 14:14:53 GMT
Huram Abi the Allegory " Death of the Sun " In older astronomical/astrological legends Huram is slain by three Fellowcraft Masons = The sun is slain by three months toward the end of the year (Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius) the third proves most fatal The sun "dies" when it reaches its lowest point Dec 21
The sun is carried west by three winter signs. The sun is " buried " in a poor environment, little to no vegetation
N E S W signs of the zodiac made a search for the " body " It was found at the vernal equinox by Aries, making its resurrection
We see the fall of vegetation annually, it's death and rebirth at the vernal equinox
I am not certain of what rite in Masonry this would pertain to... There is a legend of a lost keystone - A circle with a point in the middle emblematic of the sun with the letters H.T.W.S.S.T.K.S bordering the circle " He that was slain soared to kindred spirits " The keystone is the summer solstice ( when the sun is at its strongest aprox June 21 ) This lost keystone is also symbolic the story of Huram Abi Huram Abi = God, the Father of Life
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Post by peter2 on Aug 18, 2017 20:44:10 GMT
The signs of the zodiac are cultural patterns imposed upon the stars seen near the horizon.
I would be looking for a more objective basis for Hiram - for example a character or set of characters in the earlier history of Earth humanity.
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Post by 2211 on Aug 19, 2017 11:04:21 GMT
Adonis Perhaps a link with the Adoniramite tradition . Adhon can be traced to Phoenecian, Hebrew and possibly Sumerian ( Sumerian I'm not certain with) correct me if I'm wrong Isis and Osiris Adonis and Tammuz
-to name a few
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Post by peter2 on Aug 19, 2017 11:21:31 GMT
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