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Post by hwhy on May 20, 2016 9:33:26 GMT
I'm sure you are not wrong about the deeper word games and translations in the Hebrew readings of the Torah.
There are many hidden gems that can only be deduced from the Hebrew reading as you have stated.
The point I am making is that there is a symbolism in the aspects of God that can be deduced in a most logical way by studying the scriptures.
This knowledge of the Body of God and His personality aspects seem to have been well know by the Hebrew mystics to develop into the form of the Kabbala.
The Gnostics seem to have understood this arrangement of the Body of God when we examine the Pistis Sophia:
Pistis Sophia CHAPTER 101 [THE CONCLUSION OF ANOTHER BOOK]
Of the Limbs of the Ineffable."AND those who are worthy of the mysteries which abide in the Ineffable, which are those which have not gone forth,--these exist before the First Mystery, and to use a likeness and similitude, that ye may understand it, they are as the Limbs of the Ineffable. And every one existeth according to the dignity of its glory: the head according
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to the dignity of the head and the eye according to the dignity |253. of the eyes and the ear according to the dignity of the ears and the rest of the Limbs [in like fashion]; so that the matter is manifest: There is a multitude of limbs but one only body. Of this indeed have I spoken in a pattern and similitude and likeness, but not in a form in truth; nor have I revealed the word in truth, but the mystery [only] of the Ineffable.
The Saviour is their treasury."And all the Limbs which are in it,--according to the word with which I have made comparison,--that is, those which abide on the mystery of the Ineffable, and those which abide in it, and also the three spaces which are after them according to the mysteries,--of all these in truth and verity I am their treasury beside whom there is no other treasury, who hath not his like in the world; but there are still words and mysteries and other regions.
Of the dignity of those who have received the mysteries."Now, therefore, blessed is he who hath found the [words of the] mysteries [of the first space] which is from without; and he is a god who hath found these words of the mysteries of the second space, which is in the midst; and he is a saviour and an uncontainable who hath found the words of the mysteries of the third space, which is within, and he is more excellent than the universe and like unto those who are in that third space. Because he hath found the mystery in which they are and in which they stand,--|254. for this cause, therefore, is he like unto them. He on the other hand who hath found the words of the mysteries which I have described unto you according to a likeness, that they are the Limbs of the Ineffable,--amēn, I say unto you: That man who hath
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found the words of these mysteries in divine truth, is the first in truth and like unto him [sc. the First, i.e. the Ineffable], for through those words and mysteries . . . and the universe itself standeth through that First. For this cause he who hath found the words of those mysteries, is like unto the First. For it is the gnosis of the gnosis of the Ineffable concerning which I have discoursed with you this day."
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Post by hwhy on May 18, 2016 5:24:19 GMT
The fact of the matter is that the Abrahamic Scriptures are written in Symbols (the Aspects of God) and it is this symbolism that must be cracked and understood to understand the intent of the Creator. albertpike.wordpress.com/albert-pike-and-his-vision-of-masonry/"Pike on the role of symbols To Pike, symbols are the soul of Masonry. Much of his effort and writing was devoted to uncovering their deeper meaning and ancient origins. His view on symbolism is closely linked to his Unity Concept. He thought that the esoteric, monotheistic aspect of all religions was expressed, recorded and coded in the language of symbols, whose true meaning was open to the initiated but closed to profanes. His personal goal was to discover this true meaning and to find its historical roots. Pike saw Masonry as a link in the chain of secret initiatic societies all of which had strived to preserve the essential part of the esoteric monotheistic tradition expressed in the symbolic language. Pike was trying to trace the origins of the Masonic symbolism of his day to the sources from time immemorial, having more trust in ancient books that in the contemporary ritual, whose explanations of symbols he found to be misleading. Pike thought that symbolic language is suitable to represent the Divine exactly because it eludes trivial verbal translation, much as the subject itself. The ineffable nature of God is partly reflected in the mysterious and multifaceted nature of symbols. The symbols, as well as God himself, are more open to intuitive perception than to logical analysis. Pike wrote: “The vagueness of symbolism, capable of many interpretations, reached what palpable and conventional creed could not”. Symbols illustrate what cannot be explained. They represent the non-dogmatic, non-verbalized spiritual knowledge thus avoiding the trap of all verbalized creeds: they become a prison for free thought."
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Post by hwhy on May 18, 2016 4:47:05 GMT
www.masonicinfo.com/esotericismfaq.htm4. Why would anyone object to esotericism in Masonry? a. Some people may misunderstand esotericism as un-Masonic. Most Masons who consider themselves esotericists are individuals practicing "regular" Masonry in duly constituted lodges in accordance with the ancient charges and landmarks. Masonic esotericists are not making a religion of Masonry, though they are often exploring its spiritual implications. Some of these regular Masonic esotericists may also belong to unofficial Masonic clubs or groups based upon their shared interest in esotericism. However, there are a number of unrecognized, spurious, or clandestine organizations claiming the right to make Masons and emphasizing esotericism as central to their teaching and aims. Being a Masonic esotericist does not mean that one belongs to any such organization. b. Some people may be concerned that esotericism is incompatible with the "Abrahamic" faiths, or even "satanic". Masonic esotericists believe in the same principles, virtues, and ideals that unite all Masons, no matter what their specific religious preferences. From a radically conservative or fundamentalist point of view it may be impossible to think of esotericism as anything but heresy and even evil, but the same is true of Masonry. From such a perspective it is almost always the case that one's own beliefs are the only ones that are good or true while everything else is evil or false. The fact is that there have been and are now esoteric traditions in all three of the great Western religions. In Christianity there are the contemplative practices of monastic orders like the Jesuits, as well as apostolic denominations and churches that are Gnostic in orientation. In Judaism there are a number of esoteric currents, including the orthodox Chabad Kabbalists of the Chasidim. In Islam there are the Sufi orders. c. Masonic esotericists have not always exercised the highest standards in their historical research of Masonry and, as a result, have made claims about the fraternity's origins that are easily discredited. Often this pattern has been more about incomplete research, unreliable or discredited sources, and overconfidence in speculations than it has been about any intention to mislead anyone. The most scholarly of Masonic esotericists know the difference between speculations and substantive conclusions, and they are comfortable in acknowledging which kinds of thoughts they are voicing. d. Some Masons have publicly accused Masonic esotericists of intellectual conceit and elitism. In their enthusiasm for what they have personally discovered in their esoteric studies and practices, some Masons have been overzealous in presenting them as the secret or true meanings of Masonic ritual and symbolism. Such authors are at times offensive in their claims that a "real" Mason must be an esotericist who thinks just as they do. Intolerance and narrow-mindedness is no more acceptable from esotericists than it is from any other Mason. Conscientious Masonic esotericists understand that no single Mason or group of Masons speaks for the entire fraternity. They also warmly acknowledge that there are many different interests that men can explore in Masonry, that we are all equal in our obligations to one another, and that our fraternity is united in its dedication to God and by the cement of brotherly love and affection.
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Post by hwhy on May 18, 2016 3:06:42 GMT
This may very well be the case for translations that are not literal. Therefore the more literal translations should be compared to see if the terms used are accurate.
However, the best way to check if the aspect of God is correctly deduced is to see its consistency in the rest of the scriptures outside of the Books of Moses (Torah):
ex)Face of YHWH /Law of YHWH / Word /Image/Likeness (Synonymous terms that are interchangable)
Psalm 17:15 As for me, I shall behold your face in righteousness; when I awake, I shall be satisfied with your likeness.
Psalm 24:6 Such is the generation of those who seek him, who seek the face of the God of Jacob. Selah
Psalm 27:8 You have said, “Seek my face.” My heart says to you, “Your face, Lord, do I seek.”
Psalm 89:15 Blessed are the people who know the festal shout, who walk, O Lord, in the light of your face,
Psalm 119:135 Make your face shine upon your servant, and teach me your statutes.
Ezekiel 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will enter into judgment with you face to face.
Hosea 5:15 I will return again to my place, until they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face, and in their distress earnestly seek me
A large amount of the Mystery is hidden in the Psalms (of David), Enoch and the scriptures of Solomon (Proverbs, Wisdom, Odes and Psalms of Solomon).
What you are looking for is consistency in the language and its esoteric interpretation.
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Post by hwhy on May 17, 2016 3:25:57 GMT
The esoteric knowledge of the Aspects (Physical, Personality, Clothing, Armour etc... ) of God are not laid out in one part of the scripture. Isaiah 28 9 “To whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message? Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken from the breast? 10 For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.” The scriptures are arranged in such a way that when read one way it seems like beautiful poetic writing, and when read in the esoteric way it reveals the knowledge of God. Job 33:14 For God speaks in one way, and in two, though man does not perceive it. Concerning the Name of YHWH and which angel/Anointed One it is associated with: A good lecture to listen to concerning this would be one by Manly Hall www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD9swv4lgaYGenesis 32:28-30 28 Then he said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel,[f] for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.” 29 Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “ Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him. 30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel,[g] saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.” (*Peniel means Face of God*) Judges 13:17-21 17 And Manoah said to the angel of the Lord, “What is your name, so that, when your words come true, we may honor you?” 18 And the angel of the Lord said to him, “ Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful?” 19 So Manoah took the young goat with the grain offering, and offered it on the rock to the Lord, to the one who works wonders, and Manoah and his wife were watching. 20 And when the flame went up toward heaven from the altar, the angel of the Lord went up in the flame of the altar. Now Manoah and his wife were watching, and they fell on their faces to the ground.
21 The angel of the Lord appeared no more to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the Lord. 22 And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, for we have seen God.”
The above two passages show the relationship between the Angel of God, the Name of YHWH and the Face of YHWH that they are infact 1 entity named in 3 ways.
From the Gospel scripture, it is clear that the Word is the one who bears the Name and he is the Holy One (Angel) of God.
The Word of the LORD comes to many prophets:
Genesis 15:1-6
God's Covenant with Abram
1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision: “Fear not, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great.” 2 But Abram said, “O Lord God, what will you give me, for I continue childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 And Abram said, “Behold, you have given me no offspring, and a member of my household will be my heir.” 4 And behold, the word of the LORD came to him: “This man shall not be your heir; your very own son shall be your heir.” 5 And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” 6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
(Conveniently the Word of the LORD is names the LORD)
Numbers 3:16 So Moses listed them according to the word of the Lord, as he was commanded.
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Reading the scripture is like playing a giant game of word based Sudoku in which the attributes of God collapse into 1 of 2 of the Anointed of the LORD, either the Word or the Spirit.
Funnily enough there is a logic that extends poetically and metaphysically into ANY way that God writes. This is essentially the power and beauty of the Scripture.
Or as Albert Pike would put it:
www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md29.htm Morals and Dogma XXVIII. KNIGHT OF THE SUN, OR PRINCE ADEPT. p703
"God is not a logical Being, whose Nature may be explained by deduction, and by means of algebraic equations. When, setting out with a primary attribute, the attributes of God are deduced one from the other, after the manner of the Geometricians and Scholastics, we have nothing but abstractions."
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Post by hwhy on May 16, 2016 22:42:48 GMT
"With the reported loss of the genuine secrets no brother can claim sufficient authority to decide upon specific teachings " Thank you for your reply. I can understand that it would be difficult to produce a 'Grand Finalized List' listing each and every aspect of God belonging to either the Word or the Spirit as they are written in a way to confuse and trip up the unthinking mind. If any man were perfect in Knowledge then they would truly be the Image of a Voice. I am still trying to make up my mind about several terms and am trying to place them in the correct columns. However, there are certain terms such as the Name, the Right Hand, the Hand, Zeal, Thunder, Lightning, Bow, Arrow, Sword,the Eye, the Ear, the Mouth, East Wind, Storm etc... which can be taught as a definite attribute and corresponding personality. With my conversations with certain Esoteric Masons, Kabbalists and Esoteric Alchemists these truths seem to be Universal (as long as they have reached a certain level of understanding). When I picked up and started to read Morals and Dogma, it seemed that Albert Pike is VERY aware of these attributes and Capitalizes these terms in the text to make it easy for one to deduce these truths. Manly Hall also stresses many of these terms and links the ancient philosophies of the Michael/Thoth/Hermes/Horus/Mercury/Thor/Apollo character that is the Teacher of Mankind and Bringer of Light. It is truly a shame that many of these great men are labelled bad names by the Anti Masons. I truly want to meet some like minded people and discuss the deep Wisdom of the Creator but I have been warned that most Lodges would not provide such an environment. I also want to teach this knowledge to anyone who will listen, but most will not even turn their head. Cheers and Peace
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Post by hwhy on May 16, 2016 1:09:47 GMT
Hello!
After reading the Scriptures for a year or two it became apparent to me that the Word of God is written in a very special way... It seems like this 'Coding' of information through the aspects of God is something that has been passed on through many Mystery Schools, Alchemy and Freemasonry.
When I understood that the Name of God, in its true meaning, I was very excited and further investigated the Face, Right Hand and other aspects that associate with this Light.
Then when I kept reading , I was able to differentiate the Spirit from the Word... And thus the Hand, the Breath, the Zeal and Armour became apparent to me through His Wisdom.
I accidentally watched a video by Manly Hall and discovered that he and I share a very similar view on the World and the Creator and was delighted by his teachings. I also found that many Freemasons who were attending the lectures were audibly agreeing with the points that I was agreeing upon. Some of these were profound truths.
What I would like to know is why this Knowledge of God is not taught openly by Freemasons to the public.
From what I can ascertain, the knowledge that many of you have attained is Beauty, Light and has come from Truth. Many have heard directly from the Mouth of the Creator and have seen his Face and know him by Name.
I feel an affinity towards those who have chosen the way of Righteousness, Justice and Equity and I believe that Freemasons fit this category. However I am reluctant to join because I fear I might not be able to teach the 'Profane' in the 'Language' of the Creator. Is this an absolute rule?
May I teach the public about 'Who is like God?' (The Big M) as a Freemason?
Thank you in advance for your time,
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