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Post by ORDO on Jan 7, 2007 21:12:35 GMT
I think a Lodge Of Perfection should be the same to Lodge of Quality NOT QUANTITY. so quality and our valueable , secret work should come first and perfectly. Then of course our educational and beneficial sides effects to public. So my Lodge of Perfection is only with few members who is really in Masonry all the way and really beneficial to the Fraternity. No one day classes or 3 days 32.nd Degrees. This is not how they have built the KST.
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Post by ORDO on Nov 11, 2006 4:04:03 GMT
well if my AASR or YR would accept ladies. i would be out of Masonry right away. This is the first time i have ever heard SR or YR work together with Co-Masonry.
There are Liberal Lodges all arround the world. but as you see its called "Liberal Grand Lodge of Turkey" it is not "The Grand Lodge Of Turkey" and the Liberal GL of Turkey is not recognized by the UGLE or any Regular GL arround the europe. and they have close to 2000 members there which is not a lot when you think about the GL of Turkey which has 15.000 members and had been recognized by almost all countries GLs.
By the way. i am sure this subject would take lot and lot more time and postings. but i CANT and WOULD NOT WANT TO get involved in this subject anymore.
MY OBLIGATION, MY WORD, MY PROMISE IS MY HONOR.
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Post by ORDO on Nov 11, 2006 3:44:05 GMT
The whole human race can benefit from the Light, not only men. Besides, a female Freemason is sexy ;D I dont really think women were ever really considered "free" when such obligations and restrictions of women being made Masons were crafted, either, they were considered to have a master in one form or another. Social perspective has greatly changed from this, and Freemasonry has not caught up (yet). If you think the whole human race can benefit from it and Freemasonry is for everybody; well why dont we make 10 year old kids or 100 year old man, or an ateist a Mason? and if you were thinking this way, how and why did you make your obligation? we need to accept that freemasonry is not for everybody. this is something we earn because we are good MAN and coming well recommended. and another point of view is also; this is a fraternity not a sorority or mixed. do we try to get involved in a sorority group? and here is something funny about it. What Turkish Grand Lodge website says about this is only "WOMEN ARE HOLY, THEY ARE PERFECT, THEY DONT NEED THIS EDUCATION"
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Post by ORDO on Nov 11, 2006 3:07:16 GMT
Well i have to be honest. I am more of a traditional guy. i follow the rules which i am obligated to. i am not that much open to change the old traditions of Freemasonry. so of course we can be friends , we can have chat and things but; (maybe because of the middle eastern blood i have) i just cant accept a lady to be called MASON.
In my oppinion; you can be sister, daughter, mom or a friend but not a BROTHER.
i can understand your upset but i would join in the other bodies of Freemasonry, to be called sister, other than a "clandestine lodge member" or "stranger". as you know there are Daughters of The Nile and many more bodies of Freemasonry. so WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE CALLED MASON? you know you are not gonna be recognized. and you know, what most of us think about this subject.
i shouldnt even talk about this subject with you. but i started it. i know.
by the way, since i am usually taking care of my website, i am not able to give so much time here. so sorry for the late answer. also PLEASE DONT TAKE IT PERSONALLY. you probably already know what we are OBLIGATED TO.
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Post by ORDO on Oct 23, 2006 9:44:15 GMT
Perfect, Perfect, Perfect comments Brethren. Thanks to all of you. You guys are telling exacly what i would love to tell but cant put them in sentences. By the way, i see some Female faces arround here and i would like to ask if they are """Masons""" or sisters (ladies, rainbows, daughters)
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Post by ORDO on Oct 21, 2006 9:23:05 GMT
well since the subject has already been changed; let me tell you another thing now. yesterday i was just a regular MM and today i was in the SR reunion so now im 14th degree SR M. and guess what am i gonna be tomorrow? 32th SR M...
so yeah here is the question now... what do u think about the "2 days 32.nd degree M.s"? I personally am against to this but this is the way here. so let me get your comments on this but please dont forget that i personally am against to this much QUALITY DECREASE
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