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Post by fortitude on Jan 23, 2008 5:06:00 GMT
Look here: azothart.com/cgi-bin/main.pl?PAGE=48This place is in Florida & they have the Memphis Misraim regalia. Their aprons have the craft on one side and the Rose Croix on the other. I know most folks get the AASR craft lodge regalia from Detrad or SEPP. I heard of one brother who got his from Boston & Light in the UK.
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Post by fortitude on Nov 2, 2007 18:21:46 GMT
Brother Sid, If you looked at the link that was provided to you then you would see it says on the home page there: "The Martinist Order of Unknown Philosophers has a large and ever growing circle of Lodges in England, Germany, France, Romania, Greece, South America, Central America, The Greater Antilles and the United States, which welcome all men and women who seek both the mystical path of Saint-Martin, and also the theurgic path of his original master, Martinez de Pasqually." Thanks for the link. Any group that I can contact here in Germany. I'm interested in group/ritual work. Any group that does not require Masonic membership or that I be a Master Mason to join. Any Martinist groups active in Germany? I would like to know a little more about the Elus Cohen if possible. Thanks.
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Post by fortitude on Jan 3, 2008 22:44:55 GMT
[quote author=devoutfreemason board=It is not logical to assume because of such that the guilds themselves where expressly Christian exclusive or the origins of the Craft being the same. [/quote]
But I have seen the Illuminated Manuscripts, the minutes from 1499, the old parchments,rituals and other documents from the 13th, 16th and 17th Centuries which are all blatantly Christian (be they operative or speculative) and in fact Trinitarian. Are you unfamiliar with such things? I'm not sure what sort of network of archivists your jurisdiction might afford you should you come over to Scotland, Ireland, Germany or France, but surely Rui Gabirro or somebody could show you around. Besides reading about this via a general assortment of books, you can take courses at the Sheffield University or Exeter. You can visit the archives and see for yourself.
The flag of Universalism that you are so proudly waving is an innovation of recent times when held in context with Masonic history. Many of the irregular groups in the USA (with all their claims of Charters from Romania) are not known for their respect nor proper reservation of history. I would hope that your Grand Orient could break the mold.
I wish you the best, just make sure you keep reading and exploring. I'll do the same of course.
Peace+
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Post by fortitude on Jan 1, 2008 23:55:37 GMT
Nobody said the RER was the beginning of something. It was in fact a Rectification. [It depends on what you are referencing. Anderson's has no mention of Christ. The KST and Hiramic legend are not Christian in origin. Rectified Scottish Right has never been a dominant national system. Masonry hardly began with Andersons Constitutions, nor RER. Read the early rituals.
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Post by fortitude on Jan 1, 2008 23:54:21 GMT
That is exactly what I thought...your research only goes back but so far. I've been to Scotland and seen the oldest minutes and ritual manuscripts. They all start out in true Trinitarian form and maintain a Christian reference from beginning to end. Also, the RER is and has been the dominant system for Helvetia, France, and elsewhere. You're kidding, right? Have you read "Masonry Dissected" or "Three Distinct Knocks" or the old charges for that matter? All are replete with Christian references. It depends on what you are referencing. Anderson's has no mention of Christ. The KST and Hiramic legend are not Christian in origin. Rectified Scottish Right has never been a dominant national system.
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Post by fortitude on Dec 31, 2007 1:33:01 GMT
Wouldn't the SR be better if it where looked at as a side body for those who wanted religious specific fraternity than being the recognized authority for Freemasonry in those countries? So, because the Swedish Rite (and for that matter the Scottish Rectified Rite) both refused to jump on the De-Christianizing bandwagon in 1813, and are an annoying reminder of the origins of Freemasonry (that do not fit the United States Universalist Ideal) you desire it to be written off as a side degree? Wow. That is funny. So, let's have this preserved line of esoteric spiritual development swallowed up by the McMasons. Hmmmm, no...let's not.
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