bod
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Post by bod on Dec 19, 2004 13:10:55 GMT
Hugo, Whistler - while you are quite entitled to your viewpoint, you're assumption that I would not 'permit' my wife to join freemasonry is plain wrong. If she wantred to join then I would encourage her and guide her and get all the info she wanted. The fact of the matter is she isn't in the least bit interested - it don't float her boat. If she wanted to find the rituals, etc she could look in the intenet and they are there in a far more readable and understandable way than any ritual book I have ever seen. In fact, if I sometimes can't remember a word - I'll look on the internet for it.
Sorry, guys, but 'm firmly with taylosrman on this - and the pearls before swine comment was bordering on being very offensive...
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Post by whistler on Dec 19, 2004 17:01:46 GMT
Whistler - while you are quite entitled to your viewpoint, you're assumption that I would not 'permit' my wife to join freemasonry is plain wrong. . Hey Bod - A little antipodean Leg Pull Your wife would be unusual if you could stop her doing anything she wished to Happy Christmas
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staffs
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Post by staffs on Dec 19, 2004 17:28:02 GMT
My wife can join if she likes but like bods wife she has no interest in Fm ither than the nice people we meet at functions but tolerates my hobby and pursuit.
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Post by Yoki on Dec 19, 2004 18:48:18 GMT
I thank you for your candour gentleman. What I find hypocritical is the attitude of your ruling body that encourages this practice. It does not allow Women to be initiated as Masons yet no they participate by peering in through the back door.
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Post by middlepillar on Dec 19, 2004 19:32:36 GMT
I thank you for your candour gentleman. What I find hypocritical is the attitude of your ruling body that encourages this practice. It does not allow Women to be initiated as Masons yet allows them to participate by peering in through the back door. Yoki Two points I feel I must clarify. Firstly our ruling does not encourage any of us to turn a blind eye, this situation is very similar to when I worked in a bakery, you were not allowed to have any bread or cakes officially but everyone on the shift could take home half a dozen doughnuts and a couple of loaves of bread, and no one said anything! Secondly, my wife has absolutely no interest in Freemasonry, but I have asked her to check my words to let me know where I am going wrong. This is not being untrue to my obligation, my wife could not tell you what I said 5 minutes later, I do not repeat any of the words and signs I am not allowed too and all else is not secret. I do agree with you and Hubert that if someone approached me and asked about joining I would not let him see or learn anything of the ceremonies because imho these should be experienced as 'virgin' as possible because the experience is far better if all is new.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Dec 20, 2004 6:08:19 GMT
Hi Bod, Please do not take offence. The phrase I used was in common usage as allegory to the fact that certain details in the wrong hands can create problems both for the individual and others.
A case in point is the Ougee board. It may well have some positive attributes, but used by the unscupulous or ignorant can have devastating consequences.
Likewise, I believe, the spiritual energies created in Initiations is so subtle that knowledge beforehand could be missconstrued & during the actual ceremony be disipated by those with their minds elsewhere rather on the wonderment of the newly revealed truths.
Certainly there is no harm in people educating themselves, my only goal is to provide the BEST environment for spiritual awakening.
WHGW, Hubert.
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Post by symbol on Dec 22, 2004 15:52:57 GMT
Thanks for all your replys
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