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Post by imakegarb on Dec 21, 2007 19:36:50 GMT
For my BF, it's just the solstice. And we're hanging fresh prayer flags to mark it and, later today, we'll be attending a peace vigil. But *I* know it's Saint John's Everyone, please have a good one
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Post by waynecowley on Dec 21, 2007 19:49:26 GMT
The same to you Karen
Wayne
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Post by leonardo on Dec 21, 2007 20:40:07 GMT
Like wise to you Bro. Karen.
As a newbie I'd dearly like to know more on why St. John is so revered among brethren.
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Post by parisfred on Dec 21, 2007 21:15:45 GMT
Happy st John to all masons ! If you look at old ritual it is often said that masons come from St John lodge, many guilds of constructor choose St John as saint patrons. But not all masons come from st john lodges and they sometimes choose another saint... St John is very important for our brethren working the AASR since the first degree, the first verses of St John are often read at the opening of the lodge. For me it's the most beautiful moment of the year, in the north hemisphere , during this night light win over the darkness. A beautiful moment that we live in lodge with our sisters and brothers. Traditionnaly we celebrate St john or Summer solstice with friends, family and brethren and winter solstice, the second st John, only between initiate. ( Karen your BF looks like a brother without an apron for me ) fraternally,
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Post by imakegarb on Dec 24, 2007 19:32:09 GMT
Wow, I can't believe I missed this Bro. Fred, thank you for your post. I dearly love Saint John's. I found out, after posting the above, that my jurisdiction actually celebrates "Winter Solstice" this time of year and does not call it Saint John's (it keeps that name in June). Also, in posting this on another Masonic forum, I found out that not all Freemasons celebrate Saint John's on the Solstice but on Dec. 27 instead (so I was early). But I'd like to know why the Saint's John? I mean, I know they lead lives worth of emulation but so have other folks. Why these two in particular? And why Saint John the Baptist at the Summer Solstice and Saint John the Evangelist at the Winter Solstice? ( Karen your BF looks like a brother without an apron for me ) Indeed, there are many of those. And, sometimes, I wish he were called to Masonry. But he's wonderfully supportive, reads a lot of my books and is a real gem. Bro. Fred, I wish I could bring him with me next month, I would love for you to meet him. But he doesn't travel so . . . He's there, as always, with me. Either right there or in spirit. So, in that way I suppose, he's like many of my Brothers in the Craft
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Post by tws on Dec 24, 2007 20:05:32 GMT
But I'd like to know why the Saint's John? I mean, I know they lead lives worth of emulation but so have other folks. Why these two in particular? And why Saint John the Baptist at the Summer Solstice and Saint John the Evangelist at the Winter Solstice? It's not the Saints John themselves, but, rather, the solsticies that we should pay attention to...
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Post by hollandr on Dec 24, 2007 20:53:39 GMT
>I'd dearly like to know more on why St. John is so revered among brethren.
Over the centuries and millennia the custodians of Masonry have attached meanings and agendas to what already existed. This was sometimes done to broaden the mystery base and sometimes to indicate the teachings of new groups concealed within Masonry
In this case it is may be that the 2 Sts John are revered because:
- John the Baptist was regarded by the Knights Templar as the true Messiah - John the Beloved (the one whom Jesus loved) was the first raising of the new dispensation as Lazarus - a ritual demonstration of the raising of Asar (Osiris) the husband of the widow Isis
And then the 2 Sts John are conveniently attached to the composite symbol we know as the Point within the Circle - 2 vertical parallel lines plus a circle (reference to Vishnu the fish-man saviour) and the circle with a point (from the Tree of Life referring to Keter - in a human the chakra just above the head)
One reasoon to draw attention to the solstices is to illuminate the nature of the equilateral triangle that indicates the latitude of Jerusalem - see Civilisation One by Chris Knight. Another reason is to indicate that the earthly temples are part of a heavenly temple
Another reason is a bit obscure and that is the relationship between the name John and Jonah (Oannes) - Oannes being a fish-man responsible for educating the human race - giving rise to the use of a mitre (fish-head) by those aspiring to be spiritual teachers including 3rd Principals. This of course takes us into Merovingian territory with the quinotaur
Hence the importance of the 2 Sts John
Cheers
Russell
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Post by leonardo on Dec 24, 2007 21:08:23 GMT
Thank you Bro. Russell for that very enlightening post in response to my question. I have of course heard and read a few things in relation to St. John and the connections with FM but never enough to appreciate the significance as expressed here.
Thank you.
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Post by tws on Dec 24, 2007 21:09:36 GMT
One reasoon to draw attention to the solstices is to illuminate the nature of the equilateral triangle that indicates the latitude of Jerusalem - see Civilisation One by Chris Knight. See also Uriel's Machine by Knight & Lomas for the signifigance of the solstices as relates to antidiluvian civilisation, Freemasonry, and natural disaster.
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 24, 2007 21:10:37 GMT
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Post by imakegarb on Dec 24, 2007 21:10:49 GMT
Bro. Russell, you are so cool. Thank you But I'd like to know why the Saint's John? I mean, I know they lead lives worth of emulation but so have other folks. Why these two in particular? And why Saint John the Baptist at the Summer Solstice and Saint John the Evangelist at the Winter Solstice? It's not the Saints John themselves, but, rather, the solsticies that we should pay attention to... Oh no. I am as interested in the veils as I am the real thing - which, often (as in this case, I think) turns out to be yet another veil. So I *do* wonder why the Saints John. Especially at two times of year
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Post by tws on Dec 24, 2007 21:42:13 GMT
Oh no. I am as interested in the veils as I am the real thing - which, often (as in this case, I think) turns out to be yet another veil. So I *do* wonder why the Saints John. Especially at two times of year The viels had to be couched in the terms of christianity to enable the knowledge to be passed down intact, under the noses of the Church. That knowledge is veiled in allegory, but relates important scientific information that was deemed critical to the survival of the human race. That there was a flood event in pre-history is evidenced by the many flood stories that are present in almost all cultures across the globe. That major cometary and meteoric impacts have happened is clear from the evidence. In Uriel's machine Knight & Lomas examine the evidence for world wide disaster at some point in the past, evidence for the existance of an antidiluvian civilisation with a scientific basis, and how, after the cometary impact that appears to have almost completely destroyed that civilisation, that knowledge was passed down. The Book of Enoch holds the key, and with the discovery of the Megalithic Yard, The Uriel Machine, a cometary impact early warning system, was passed down hidden within the rituals of Freemasonry. This is , I think, Knight & Lomas' best book, wrell reserched and readable. I can not recommend it highly enough. The conclusions are well supported by the evidence presented, and answer many questions. Partcularly about the Saints John and the point within a circle.
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Post by mattjtayl on Dec 24, 2007 23:06:59 GMT
I thought the fiest of St. John's isn't until December 27th, that is when our lodge is celebrating it. Is it not the same date for all the lodges everywhere?
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 24, 2007 23:20:23 GMT
Indeed I have always taken it to be that day.
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Post by ricardo on Dec 29, 2007 10:17:22 GMT
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Post by boreades on Jun 13, 2019 19:49:00 GMT
Wow, I can't believe I missed this Bro. Fred, thank you for your post. I dearly love Saint John's. I found out, after posting the above, that my jurisdiction actually celebrates "Winter Solstice" this time of year and does not call it Saint John's (it keeps that name in June). Also, in posting this on another Masonic forum, I found out that not all Freemasons celebrate Saint John's on the Solstice but on Dec. 27 instead (so I was early). But I'd like to know why the Saint's John? I mean, I know they lead lives worth of emulation but so have other folks. Why these two in particular? And why Saint John the Baptist at the Summer Solstice and Saint John the Evangelist at the Winter Solstice? ( Karen your BF looks like a brother without an apron for me ) Indeed, there are many of those. And, sometimes, I wish he were called to Masonry. But he's wonderfully supportive, reads a lot of my books and is a real gem. Bro. Fred, I wish I could bring him with me next month, I would love for you to meet him. But he doesn't travel so . . . He's there, as always, with me. Either right there or in spirit. So, in that way I suppose, he's like many of my Brothers in the Craft It goes back a long way... www.northernway.org/mysteryschool/summersolsticemeaning/Also, I've been told that : Which is very possible and quite likely, but I have not yet found anything on Ancient Egypt that explicitly mentions this, only mentioning the rising sun in passing.
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Post by 2211 on Jun 17, 2019 2:06:58 GMT
Here in Canada, the province of Quebec celebrates St-Jean-Baptiste on the 24th of June, a provincial holiday.
The two solstices correspond to the two St-Johns. 24th June, 24th December Traditionally Cancer and Capricorn are the two signs they correspond to.These were considered gates, however Plato states they are Entrances. The Sothic year began close to the summer solstice (heliacal rising of the Sun and Sirius) Flooding of the Nile. The Egyptian year started then. The story of Osiris and Typhon in Egypt correspond to the concept of these periods of year.
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