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Post by leonardo on Apr 20, 2008 21:47:50 GMT
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Post by ingo on Apr 24, 2008 6:31:16 GMT
yeah... But only very poor information about Eastern Order and the US......
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Post by FireMist on Apr 28, 2008 1:28:43 GMT
I am not sure I fully understand your question. So, here are the basics of the situation. In Co-Masonry (or as the Europeans state Mixed Masonry) you have three main groups within the USA... Somehow I missed replying to your post. Yes, good information. Unfortunately none of the groups are close. I was wondering, what if the trip becomes too dangerous for me to make due to age or health? and one of the other groups opens closer?? Anyway. The Am Fed is about 220 miles north of me, the LDH is somewhere around the same distance to the south and does not yet have regular meetings...This is something most necessary for me to schedule around...especially due to the 4 hour drive times. So if something closer...2 hours, or 20 minutes away or less opens...hence my question. I think in a round about way you answered it,,,,I'd have to start over.
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Post by FireMist on Nov 3, 2009 20:34:58 GMT
Thank you so much all of you. And a special thank you to Bros Karen and Cora. I believe the answer was presented to me this morning while at work. It seems as though I have passed around a curve in the path, which was previously seen as a straight road. In rounding the corner I've realized the hill was a scenic view alongside the path. I think I was seeing his love and respect for me as well as his natural concerns as a loved mentor. I am awaiting an application to petition. When it arrives, I'll be filing it out. Hopefully I'll be found suitable. Darylee Well, I thank all of you. This was the first masonic message board that I actually logged into and started askeing questions. During this past year, I have been initiated, passed, and raised. I am now a MM. (edit) To all of you considering the more esoteric forms of freemasonry....I say go with it. You'll not be disappointed. It is definitely worth my 200 mile drive and the time. I was speaking with a good friend of mine this morning and he admitted that he gets very little out of the lodge meetings. He says they are all about scheduling this social event or the other. Yet, I have spoken with other of my masculine only discipline friends and they say they have separate business meetings from the lodge meetings. I am wondering if this difference in the masculine only varies from state to state, or just lodge to lodge. Viva la Difference. There is obviously something for everyone out there. Thanks again all.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 3, 2009 20:55:44 GMT
Congrats Brother Darylee!!! Love and Light,
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Post by maat on Nov 3, 2009 22:37:52 GMT
Heartiest of congratulations FireMist! Bro-in-Arms. Much Love Maat
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Post by FireMist on Nov 5, 2009 23:57:05 GMT
L&L Brad.
Thanks Maat... perhaps one day I'll be able to make it 'down Under' . I have a friend in New Zealand. I could make it a world tour.
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Post by whistler on Nov 12, 2009 21:05:09 GMT
I have been a Mason for over 20 Years - when I first joined the New Zealand Co-Freemasonry was part of LDH, and had been since early last century We even had CWL visiting and starting our some of our Lodges. A few years ago new requirements of LDH became quite intrusive on the traditional way our Freemasonry worked. We also found ourselves a little lost being a very small fish in a big pond. We were not alone in our feelings. The result of this was the formation of the Eastern Order of International Co-Freemasonry comasonic.net/. The Result of the Change is that my Freemasonry remains exactly the same, and I enjoy and am as constantly fascinated by the workings of our ritual as I have ever been. Do I recognize other Masonic Bodies? I Certainly do. Freemasonry is much much bigger than the petty administrative ways of men and women. When we become initiated into the craft it is not just an empty Shakespearian drama - it is a consciousness change. Freemasonry is much much bigger
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Post by corab on Nov 13, 2009 18:35:41 GMT
Hi Whistler, A few years ago new requirements of LDH became quite intrusive on the traditional way our Freemasonry worked. Are you able to enlighten us at all on the traditional ways in which your freemasonry worked, and how these new requirements became intrusive to those ways? hgw, Cora
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Post by whistler on Nov 14, 2009 1:56:30 GMT
It was during the time when a chap from Iceland was the head fellow, he expressed intense dislike of the Besant Ritual, and the picture of "The Man" we display. There was also administrative requirements that would be quite expensive for us including regular visits from our MPG to Paris. Even Those visits had been hard for our people in the past when most of the Conference was held in French - with very little translation and time for contributions in English. Even the voting system didn't appear to be suitable for minorities. As you maybe aware this is all a distraction from Freemasonry which for me is of little interest.. When the Master says "Brn assist me to open the Lodge" The esoteric Columns are built- the work begins- That is the real Freemasonry
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Post by theplumbtruth on Nov 14, 2009 22:54:18 GMT
It was during the time when a chap from Iceland was the head fellow, he expressed intense dislike of the Besant Ritual, and the picture of "The Man" we display. There was also administrative requirements that would be quite expensive for us including regular visits from our MPG to Paris. Even Those visits had been hard for our people in the past when most of the Conference was held in French - with very little translation and time for contributions in English. Even the voting system didn't appear to be suitable for minorities. As you maybe aware this is all a distraction from Freemasonry which for me is of little interest.. When the Master says "Brn assist me to open the Lodge" The esoteric Columns are built- the work begins- That is the real Freemasonry If I may I'ld like to clarify some information about LDH with regards to your comments. First let me say though I don't refute your right to practice Masonry as you wish and I have all due respect for the Eastern Order forming as they have chosen. Within LDH we do not declare that any personage, legend, symbol, deity or whomever is pictured in the North. We believe that the North is the place of our inner knowing, while at the same time each individual may choose to believe a god-head figure is represented there. Our Supreme Council states that since it is an individual belief, no one picture should be placed in the North as it may be misrepresented (in our minds) of an idolatry shared by everyone in LDH. It's precisely that choice that can be very uncomfortable to other Masonic Orders. While on this side of the pond we choose to believe in a deity, on the other side of the pond and France in particular, they choose not to work under the umbrella of a belief in deity. While most people are aware of all of this I don't think it is always clearly understood the choices that our Supreme Council DOES allow us. Since we have a democratic structure any lodge and any Federation within LDH is always free to present changes to our Constitution. Changes have been proposed over the years and we always give accord to the prevailing democratic vote on how LDH is structured. I honestly don't know what the previous GM attitude was toward the Besant Ritual, but once again we are always able to present rituals to our Supreme Council for consideration and vote. But if I'm wrong on any of the above, please chime in my fellow Bro. from LDH!
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 15, 2009 4:53:03 GMT
I have heard that the picture (that I always thought was St.Germain) was actually Bro.Bessant with a beard. Is this true?
Love and Light,
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Post by whistler on Nov 15, 2009 9:14:25 GMT
That is the beauty of our ritual we each may interpret as we see fit. I see the picture representing the Human aspect of our deity - Theplumbtruth - I have no ill feeling for LDH it obviously works for some and that is great - it didn't work for others who rather than staying with and mumbling they left. I can only repeat the change didn't alter my Freemasonry one little bit.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 15, 2009 15:33:30 GMT
Bro Brad. That is NOT funny!
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Post by corab on Nov 15, 2009 16:07:00 GMT
Bro:. Brad,
I know we're renowned for our sense of humour, but it does tend to be tempered by dignity and respect.
S&F,
Cora
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 15, 2009 18:46:36 GMT
Bro Brad. That is NOT funny! Bro. Steve, Oh, I mean no disrespect. I am really sorry if I offended you. I have some great friends in AFHR. They also hang the picture. When I asked about it being St.Germaine they told me that is who it represents but the picture is actually Annie Besant with a beard. I wasen't trying to make a joke and again I apologize if I offended anyone. Love and Light,
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 15, 2009 18:55:12 GMT
Ok, apology accepted. It is just that Annie Bessant is a person for whom I have a great respect.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 15, 2009 19:39:11 GMT
Me too Brother Steve.
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Post by whistler on Nov 15, 2009 19:53:46 GMT
Ok, apology accepted. It is just that Annie Bessant is a person for whom I have a great respect. Not just inside Freemasonry - Her courage and help she gave to exploited women - was pure Fellowcraft Masonry - Just thinking about it - Wonder if the Men who ran Bryant and May at the time of the struggles might have been UGLE Freemasons Plumbtruth - I don't thing Democracy serves Minorities well, for that reason having smaller Masonic Federations can be a strength
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Post by cezarek on Nov 15, 2009 21:33:02 GMT
tend to be tempered by dignity and respect. Much as I respect her, Sr. Annie Besant and the word dignity sit uneasily in the same sentence! She achieved so much of what she did by throwing dignity to the wind.
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