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Post by maat on Nov 19, 2009 0:50:53 GMT
Here, here, Whistler... well said!
Maat
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Post by theplumbtruth on Nov 19, 2009 1:54:24 GMT
When the Master asks for help in opening the Lodge the Call goes out into the ether and to the Brn Present. The Esoteric beings and the Brn present answer the call Together we raise a Temple of light within that temple much beauty and much good are present. Each Member of the Lodge is affected in different ways according to their needs. Within our Lodges are many well hidden secrets - not the secrets we can troll the net to find - not the mythical words we talk about - The important secrets have been carefully laid down in our rituals, furniture and symbols - these secrets are revealed uniquely to Brn as they are ready to receive them. Your descriptions are like poetry. Thank you for sharing!
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Post by whistler on Nov 19, 2009 2:51:06 GMT
to give it its proper name, the Lauderdale Ritual I am sorry I do not know anything about a "Lauderdale " ritual I thought Launderdale was a Fort in the USA. I have asked other Brn in my Lodge and they haven't heard of it either - maybe it is a European Ritual. To quote from my ritual Book. "Issued by command and Authority of The Very Illustrious Brother RADHA BURNIER 33Degree P.M., P.M.M., P.Z.., P.M.W.S., etc Most Puisant Grand Commander and Representative of the Supreme Council for the Eastern Federation. This Ritual was first published in 1904, Revised in 1913, 1916 and 1925" Reprinted in 1908, 1947, 1964, 1972, 1977"
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Post by corab on Nov 19, 2009 20:01:32 GMT
Whistler's misrepresentations of the facts.You are welcome to think so: I really do not have any ill feelings towards the LDH. I'm happy to hear that. I'd be happier still if in future you would refrain from spreading ill-founded rumours, whether through ignorance or design. S&F, Cora
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Post by corab on Nov 19, 2009 20:13:52 GMT
to give it its proper name, the Lauderdale RitualI am sorry I do not know anything about a "Lauderdale " ritual I thought Launderdale was a Fort in the USA. I have asked other Brn in my Lodge and they haven't heard of it either - maybe it is a European Ritual. To quote from my ritual Book. "Issued by command and Authority of The Very Illustrious Brother RADHA BURNIER 33Degree P.M., P.M.M., P.Z.., P.M.W.S., etc Most Puisant Grand Commander and Representative of the Supreme Council for the Eastern Federation. This Ritual was first published in 1904, Revised in 1913, 1916 and 1925" Reprinted in 1908, 1947, 1964, 1972, 1977" It is known under various names -- Dharma, Sydney, Lauderdale. The different names refer to different editions, Dharma being the earliest and Lauderdale being the current. The rituals are printed locally, so yours is probably an earlier version; maybe the Sydney. It definitely was published under the auspices of the Supreme Council of LDH, considering it refers to Bro:. Burnier by her then title as MPGC and Representative of the Supreme Council for the Eastern Federation. I have a Sydney Mark ritual with pretty much the same designation as your Craft ritual. I think (but have yet to find out ) there is a Sydney ritual for HRA as well. It's a family of rituals. S&F, Cora
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Nov 19, 2009 20:16:40 GMT
Brad, I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement about this being an argument between LDH and the Eastern Order. Both Cora and myself have had nothing but polite questions and responses from Whistler. I even stated I duly respect the Eastern order so don't go putting words in my mouth. My experience within LDH for more than 20 years has given me multitude of opportunities to work with all our members from EA to MPGC's. None of which have ever been elitist. Once again, your opinion only. I have sat down to dinner with the former GM Njordur Njardvik and have nothing but the highest esteem for him and what he did to retain the LDH members in the US. I know you started out within LDH and since I'm not privy to your personal experience it's a shame you left with such a slanted, one sided and soured opinion of this Order before giving us our Due and meeting with us on the level. Bro. I don't really think that this is the place to go into it in detail. I can telling you that I have a very strong affinity for Le Droit Humaine. I do think however that going from over 100 lodges in 1920 to 14 now should be of huge concearn to Le Droit Humaine members. I know of more than a few enthsiastic would be members of LDH who are now AFHR because LDH let them "die on the vine." You are right though, it is neither my problem nor my business. I did not mean to offend. Love and Light, You say 14 Lodges. Do you mean in the United States. If so I think I would say that might be off. There are 3 LDH Lodges within 6 hours of my home, so I cant believe there are only 11 in the whole rest of the US, and I doubt even more so that there are only 11 more in the entire world. I think these numbers are incorrect.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 19, 2009 20:24:40 GMT
Bro. I don't really think that this is the place to go into it in detail. I can telling you that I have a very strong affinity for Le Droit Humaine. I do think however that going from over 100 lodges in 1920 to 14 now should be of huge concearn to Le Droit Humaine members. I know of more than a few enthsiastic would be members of LDH who are now AFHR because LDH let them "die on the vine." You are right though, it is neither my problem nor my business. I did not mean to offend. Love and Light, You say 14 Lodges. Do you mean in the United States. If so I think I would say that might be off. There are 3 LDH Lodges within 6 hours of my home, so I cant believe there are only 11 in the whole rest of the US, and I doubt even more so that there are only 11 more in the entire world. I think these numbers are incorrect. I didn't mean the entire world. I think you know that.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 19, 2009 20:27:51 GMT
to give it its proper name, the Lauderdale RitualI am sorry I do not know anything about a "Lauderdale " ritual I thought Launderdale was a Fort in the USA. I have asked other Brn in my Lodge and they haven't heard of it either - maybe it is a European Ritual. To quote from my ritual Book. "Issued by command and Authority of The Very Illustrious Brother RADHA BURNIER 33Degree P.M., P.M.M., P.Z.., P.M.W.S., etc Most Puisant Grand Commander and Representative of the Supreme Council for the Eastern Federation. This Ritual was first published in 1904, Revised in 1913, 1916 and 1925" Reprinted in 1908, 1947, 1964, 1972, 1977" It is known under various names -- Dharma, Sydney, Lauderdale. The different names refer to different editions, Dharma being the earliest and Lauderdale being the current. The rituals are printed locally, so yours is probably an earlier version; maybe the Sydney. It definitely was published under the auspices of the Supreme Council of LDH, considering it refers to Bro:. Burnier by her then title as MPGC and Representative of the Supreme Council for the Eastern Federation. I have a Sydney Mark ritual with pretty much the same designation as your Craft ritual. I think (but have yet to find out ) there is a Sydney ritual for HRA as well. It's a family of rituals. S&F, Cora Thank you for that info Bro.Cora. It has been my understanding that the Lauderdale grew out of the Dharmic. I have never found the original Dharmic Rite. Do you have it? I also did not know Lauder and Sydney where the same. I thought Sydney was practiced by the Mainstream in Oz ;D I assumed (wrongly) that it would be their national version of Emulation. There seems to be different versions of the Lauderdale as well. The AFHR version has the Preston-Webb obligation in the Master Mason degree. Love and Light,
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Post by whistler on Nov 19, 2009 20:45:07 GMT
Whistler's misrepresentations of the facts.You are welcome to think so: I really do not have any ill feelings towards the LDH. I'm happy to hear that. I'd be happier still if in future you would refrain from spreading ill-founded rumours, whether through ignorance or design. S&F, Cora Your truths are your truths and my truths are my truths - I am sure I am as ignorant as you are - that really is not a problem - as for rumours I can't be bothered with them. It is important not to let others conclusions spoil your freemasonry. Do you still enjoy the magic and enlightenment of Freemasonry I certainly do. It teaches us so much. HGW
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Post by tranquilityspirit on Nov 19, 2009 23:11:03 GMT
I'm very glad to find this board!
I am hesitant to post here, as I'm not sure if posting this would be considered hijacking this thread or not. But rather than start a new thread I thought it might be best to post here, as this thread started out as an inquiry about co-masonry in the USA. If this is not a good place to post my questions, please let me know.
I too am in the USA, and I too am apparently quite a long distance from any co-freemason lodge. I too am a woman with a long history of an interest in freemasonry, but, of course, an inability to join. I only recently learned that there was any alternative for women.
While there is a regular mason lodge in the nearby tiny town (I live in the country), and there are regular mason lodges in every other town and city around me, the closest co-mason lodges that I have found so far are in Chicago (a bit over 3 hours to the north of me) and St. Louis (about 3 hours to the south of me). I'm a bit surprised that there does not seem to be any lodge anywhere in Central Illinois. I have wondered if I have missed something in my searches.
From what I read generally about the masonic spiritual practices, I believe that they would be a very good fit with my own spiritual life. However, I am not sure that I can commit to traveling to these cities every month, particularly given the nature of Midwestern winters (and, frankly I'm a bit of a chicken when it comes to setting out on long trips alone when the weather bodes ill).
Therefore, I am wondering two things:
1) Are there any co-mason lodges of any type in Central Illinois that my research may have missed?
2) If a person joins a lodge from a distance, is it extremely frowned upon if the person misses meetings due to weather?
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 19, 2009 23:17:47 GMT
We are Gender Equal and have a lodge starting on the Illinois/Missouri border. We would be happy to help you.
Central Illinois is also a possibility.
Love and Light,
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Post by tranquilityspirit on Nov 20, 2009 0:02:41 GMT
We are Gender Equal and have a lodge starting on the Illinois/Missouri border. We would be happy to help you. Central Illinois is also a possibility. Love and Light, Thank you for your response. It is encouraging that there is so much activity in this area. I looked through your signature line, which seems to have several different orders represented, and I'm not quite sure which "we" you meant? Where along the Illinois - Missouri border is the new lodge? How many members are in it? Also, where in Central Illinois are you considering establishing a new lodge? How many members are currently working on that? Thank you.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 20, 2009 0:54:04 GMT
We are Gender Equal and have a lodge starting on the Illinois/Missouri border. We would be happy to help you. Central Illinois is also a possibility. Love and Light, Thank you for your response. It is encouraging that there is so much activity in this area. I looked through your signature line, which seems to have several different orders represented, and I'm not quite sure which "we" you meant? Where along the Illinois - Missouri border is the new lodge? How many members are in it? Also, where in Central Illinois are you considering establishing a new lodge? How many members are currently working on that? Thank you. As a policy we do not give out specific info on a public messageboard. If you would like for me to put you in touch with those directly I would be happy to do so. Please feel free to email me at. brad@egyptianfreemasonry.org Love and Light,
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Post by FireMist on Nov 21, 2009 5:42:28 GMT
................There seems to be different versions of the Lauderdale as well. The AFHR version has the Preston-Webb obligation in the Master Mason degree.... With that, I did get a friend to recite from their copy of the Preston-Webb. Brad, I suggest you cease speaking about that which you know nothing about. I know for a fact that you are not a member of LDH or AFHR, or the Eastern order. You are most definitely and entirely incorrect on your assumptions of AFHR ritual and suggest you stop speaking for any of those obediences. As far as I know, the only 'obedience' you can speak for is that of an Egyption rite Memphis Misraim. Though I am sure it brings a source of light to those who choose that path, it is not Freemasonry. I am very surprised the moderators have allowed you to continue with these attacks on this thread, especially since it is off topic from the one I started.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 21, 2009 6:25:27 GMT
................There seems to be different versions of the Lauderdale as well. The AFHR version has the Preston-Webb obligation in the Master Mason degree.... With that, I did get a friend to recite from their copy of the Preston-Webb. Brad, I suggest you cease speaking about that which you know nothing about. I know for a fact that you are not a member of LDH or AFHR, or the Eastern order. You are most definitely and entirely incorrect on your assumptions of AFHR ritual and suggest you stop speaking for any of those obediences. As far as I know, the only 'obedience' you can speak for is that of an Egyption rite Memphis Misraim. Though I am sure it brings a source of light to those who choose that path, it is not Freemasonry. I am very surprised the moderators have allowed you to continue with these attacks on this thread, especially since it is off topic from the one I started. Your opinion of Memphis Misraim is really irrelevent. I don't understand the source or reason for your attack. Information is fine. Subjective opinion posted as objective fact is quite a different thing now isn't it? As for the AFHR Lauderdale Ritual how am I attacking it? I have a copy of it on my desk. I would guess I have had a copy of it longer than you have. And the point of this rant is what exactly? Love and Light,
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Post by FireMist on Nov 21, 2009 6:25:46 GMT
I'm very glad to find this board! Glad you are here. I am hesitant to post here, as I'm not sure if posting this would be considered hijacking this thread or not. But rather than start a new thread I thought it might be best to post here, as this thread started out as an inquiry about co-masonry in the USA. If this is not a good place to post my questions, please let me know Not at all... you at least are on topic I too am in the USA, and I too am apparently quite a long distance from any co-freemason lodge. I was there not too long ago myself... you'll have to contact the individual obediences for information, not go by web search and here say. ... the closest co-mason lodges that I have found so far are in Chicago (a bit over 3 hours to the north of me) and St. Louis (about 3 hours to the south of me). I hear you.. I am 4 hours from my lodge.. yet am not the furthest, nor the only one on this continent or on others. I know of two in the UK who travel the same distance. 1) Are there any co-mason lodges of any type in Central Illinois that my research may have missed? 2) If a person joins a lodge from a distance, is it extremely frowned upon if the person misses meetings due to weather? 1, contact the grand lodges via their web sites... AFHR, Eastern order, LDH are the only ones here in the USA with a physical presence. 2. no sometimes if it is really bad weather the meeting is cancelled anyway. There is only so much one person can do. Sometimes people miss due to illness, other engagements and extenuating circumstances. When you miss, you send word that you will not make it. It IS simple as that. All that is required is that you communicate with them. To not show up and not tell anyone is frowned upon. I think you can understand that. I looked through your signature line, which seems to have several different orders represented, and I'm not quite sure which "we" you meant? Where along the Illinois - Missouri border is the new lodge? How many members are in it? Also, where in Central Illinois are you considering establishing a new lodge? How many members are currently working on that? Thank you. These are excellent questions for any of the bodies you contact. Also ask questions which may be important to you. For me it was stuff like; What does the organization work for? What is the main purpose or goal of each meeting? (rather rudimentary, but make sure the organization meets your expectations of what freemasonry involves.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 21, 2009 6:34:59 GMT
Grand Loggia di Italia is a mixed gender order with physical lodges in the USA.
Masonic Order Delphi is a mixed gender order that has physical lodges in the USA.
AUM is a mixed gender order with lodges in the USA.
Sovereign Sanctuary APRMM is a mixed gender order with lodges in the USA
Grand Orient of Latin America is mixed gender with physical lodges in the USA.
Lodge Ptah is a gender equal Post-Modern lodge in Conyers , GA.
Lodge Napoleon Bonaparte is gender equal Post-Modern lodge in Conyers, GA.
There are plenty of options for the determined seeker.
Love and Light,
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Post by FireMist on Nov 21, 2009 6:42:30 GMT
. Your opinion of Memphis Misraim is really irrelevent. I don't understand the source or reason for your attack. Information is fine. Subjective opinion posted as objective fact is quite a different thing now isn't it? As for the AFHR Lauderdale Ritual how am I attacking it? I have a copy of it on my desk. I would guess I have had a copy of it longer than you have. And the point of this rant is what exactly? Love and Light, I do not have an opinion of Memphis Misram any more than I do of the Rotary. I am sure both bring light... but neither is Freemasonry. that much I found out when I too was seeking and is also why I let our inquirer know who owns that and other sites. I will engage you no further on that. You say you have a copy of the AFHR ritual, I say you have thus been caught in a deception to say such a thing, or have a copy which is different than mine. I only stated that after having heard the Preston Web recited, and compared to my own Ob... It IS different.. you are wrong in your statement. So your copy is different than mine as you would not lie would you? I did not say you attacked AFHR, but you did attack the Eastern order and LDH. Even Cora pointed that out.... Good day to you.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 21, 2009 6:47:04 GMT
I didn't "hijack" anything. Questions where asked. I have as much right on this forum to suggest a direction as a member of LDH, AFHR, Eastern Order etc. does. This topic is about Co-masonry in the USA and options avalible for those seeking such. My lodges are gender equal so they qualify for consideration.
Now does that mean that this seeker will choose to become a Post-Modern Freemason? maybe, maybe not but all options should be on the table. That is the American Way.
Firemist decided to attack me personally as well as my Masonic Rite of choice. Both of those actions are clearly against forum rules.
I am not sure what I ever did to wrong Firemist. In fact I remember when she was seeking I helped present her with options as well. I don't remember a time (perhaps she can fill in the blanks) when I ever treated her in an unbrotherly manner.
These are the facts ladies and gentlemen.
Love and Light,
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Post by FireMist on Nov 21, 2009 6:47:34 GMT
Grand Loggia di Italia is a mixed gender order with physical lodges in the USA. Masonic Order Delphi is a mixed gender order that has physical lodges in the USA. AUM is a mixed gender order with lodges in the USA. Sovereign Sanctuary APRMM is a mixed gender order with lodges in the USA Grand Orient of Latin America is mixed gender with physical lodges in the USA. Lodge Ptah is a gender equal Post-Modern lodge in Conyers , GA. Lodge Napoleon Bonaparte is gender equal Post-Modern lodge in Conyers, GA. There are plenty of options for the determined seeker. Love and Light, Thank you for the clarification. I don't speak any language except English, so most of these are out. Others are only in California or NYC. Most I had not come across before as I am rather new as you well know, and our posters to this thread know as I started this thread. ... I will not comment further, as I have no wish to embarrass you. I again bid you goodnight.
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